News Disney Riviera Resort announced

Missing20K

Missing20K

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MisterPenguin said:
Isn't the blur trying to create a faux focal blur?

And it's a shame how those rooms will roast from the sun... shining in from the Northwest. Because, you know, how in the Northern Hemisphere, the sun is in the Northern half of the sky.
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If they were trying to create a focal bokeh effect then the objects further from view would get gradually more out of focus, not blurred. In this image, the portions to the right and left are both blurred, not out of focus. This leads me to believe this was a still from a movie.

I could be wrong.

Doesn't make any of my comments about the low quality of the rendering or the design off base, however.

There is now zero question in my mind all of these renderings are being created from a BIM (most likely Revit) model and being exported to 3DS to render, or being rendered in Revit with a Lumion plug-in. And it's almost certainly not done in house at WDI, but at the Architecture firm DIS hired.

So the real question becomes, how much is the Arch firm paying their visual design specialists, and if they would be willing to farm that work out to my firm. :hilarious:
 
WDWtraveler

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Photo update as of Tuesday, March 26, 2019. A close-up of the top floor restaurant/lounge area as viewed from the lake.

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Missing20K said:
So the real question becomes, how much is the Arch firm paying their visual design specialists, and if they would be willing to farm that work out to my firm. :hilarious:
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One can't shine [...].

This is how they once could design and render a deluxe, top dollar themed resort:
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From that, to this:
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They were gods in the field of themed hotels. Now they're worms (excepting Star Wars interiors).
 
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wdisney9000

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Missing20K

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RandySavage said:
One can't shine [...].

This is how they once could design and render a deluxe, top dollar themed resort:
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From that, to this:
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They were gods in the field of themed hotels. Now they're worms (excepting Star Wars interiors).
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Oh you'd be surprised how well I can shine a.......drab shoe.

I can't help but think some of the reason we are seeing these renderings is because WDI are not creating the artwork. Few, if any, architecture firms employ a "concept artist" in the traditional sense. At most arch firms, the visual design specialist is just the project architect or design architect or cad monkey that happens to have the most experience creating renderings.

Virtually no clients want to pay extra for renderings and visualization so it's usually relegated to someone who isn't charging the client $100+ an hour (I did a lot of renderings as an intern, for instance). Most times, in fact, the visualization and renderings are farmed out to either India, China, or a local "arch viz" firm (I worked for one of these architectural visualization firms for a couple years right after graduating).

Bottom line being, DIS should be paying in-house artists to create concept art and renderings, and then coordinating with the architecture firm to ensure the design documents meet the intent of the concept art. It seems, from the outside looking in, that the opposite is happening. WDI/DIS states to the arch firm what they want (European Riviera inspired hotel/resort) and the arch firm starts designing to their own whims and ideas and then review it with WDI to see if it's what the Imagineers were envisioning. Pure speculation of course, but as a trained eye, that's what it appears to me.
 
xdan0920

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Missing20K said:
Bottom line being, DIS should be paying in-house artists to create concept art and renderings, and then coordinating with the architecture firm to ensure the design documents meet the intent of the concept art. It seems, from the outside looking in, that the opposite is happening. WDI/DIS states to the arch firm what they want (European Riviera inspired hotel/resort) and the arch firm starts designing to their own whims and ideas and then review it with WDI to see if it's what the Imagineers were envisioning. Pure speculation of course, but as a trained eye, that's what it appears to me.
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This is where my head was too. I find myself wondering how much resort design WDI is really doing these days. This place looks fine, honestly. But far below what you’d expect from Imagineering.
 
MickeyMinnieMom

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This resort looks lovely, but by my break-even analysis using our vacationing particulars, there's no way to justify this purchase. The only way I can get to a break-even is assuming the same rate of increase in dues (actually 5.5%/yr since we've owned), as in rack rates (actually 3.6%/yr since we've owned DVC) -- and even there I arrive at 40yrs. I can drive it down to about 15yrs if I assume opportunity cost of capital to be the paltry amount the funds would get if they instead sat in the bank (I suspect Disney doesn't even include this in the analysis they market). Our three purchases broke even in 7-8 yrs each (in 2006, 2009, 2013). They've changed the economics of DVC, and it no longer makes sense for us.

We'll probably try renting at 7mos. to check it out. But that's a big MAYBE -- because we can get BLT for just slightly FEWER points per night (which seems insane to me given location and walkability).
 
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Lensman

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xdan0920 said:
Hmm, a good question. Will they be sharing a bus?
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No one replied or speculated further on this point. What are the chances that Riviera will share a bus for AK, DS, and MK with CBR? There are only 300 rooms so I could imagine that service might be skimpy in the low demand periods or for the water parks.
 
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Disney Vacation Club offering introductory offer on membership along with beginning general sales for Disney's Riviera Resort
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Disney's Riviera Resort News

Savings of more than $2000 can be had for new DVC Members buying at Disney's Riviera Resort.
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Sirwalterraleigh

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MickeyMinnieMom said:
This resort looks lovely, but by my break-even analysis using our vacationing particulars, there's no way to justify this purchase. The only way I can get to a break-even is assuming the same rate of increase in dues (actually 5.5%/yr since we've owned), as in rack rates (actually 3.6%/yr since we've owned DVC) -- and even there I arrive at 40yrs. I can drive it down to about 15yrs if I assume opportunity cost of capital to be the paltry amount the funds would get if they instead sat in the bank (I suspect Disney doesn't even include this in the analysis they market). Our three purchases broke even in 7-8 yrs each (in 2006, 2009, 2013). They've changed the economics of DVC, and it no longer makes sense for us.

We'll probably try renting at 7mos. to check it out. But that's a big MAYBE -- because we can get BLT for just slightly FEWER points per night (which seems insane to me given location and walkability).
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This is fantastic...and exactly where I’m at.

I tinkered with an add on last year...did some of the phoney back and forth interactions with DVC...
But I got the distinct impression they expected me to ultimately lose interest.

And why shouldn’t they? They saw when I bought it the first time and they know it doesn’t work at all. So it’s not worth pursuing unless you go outta your way to make yourself a mark.

Sunrise...sunset.

I’d be interested in an “incentive” for this....$22,000...not $2,200

...I’ll wait for the phone to ring 😉
 
MickeyMinnieMom

MickeyMinnieMom

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
This is fantastic...and exactly where I’m at.

I tinkered with an add on last year...did some of the phoney back and forth interactions with DVC...
But I got the distinct impression they expected me to ultimately lose interest.

And why shouldn’t they? They saw when I bought it the first time and they know it doesn’t work at all. So it’s not worth pursuing unless you go outta your way to make yourself a mark.

Sunrise...sunset.

I’d be interested in an “incentive” for this....$22,000...not $2,200

...I’ll wait for the phone to ring 😉
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Yeah... I think the incentive amounts being offered are borderline hilarious given how they’ve priced this thing.
 
MickeyMinnieMom

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xdan0920 said:
Cruise around the boards you’ll find no shortage of folks willing to pay these prices.
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How many of them can/do perform a break even analysis? Just feels like this one requires a higher ratio of uneducated consumers than DVC of yore... but perhaps some people’s particulars actually get to not-entirely-unreasonable numbers. I couldn’t get there.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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xdan0920 said:
Cruise around the boards you’ll find no shortage of folks willing to pay these prices.
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No doubt...that’s what allows them to raise the points 8 dollars a year...if not more
MickeyMinnieMom said:
How many of them can/do perform a break even analysis? Just feels like this one requires a higher ratio of uneducated consumers than DVC of yore... but perhaps some people’s particulars actually get to not-entirely-unreasonable numbers. I couldn’t get there.
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Few...even though there are places like this where you can become fully educated...Disney sells primarily to the uneducated

It’s the intoxication of the name on the door. For some reason - people assume that Disney is NOT out to get them. It’s upside down logic. Or lack thereof.
 
MickeyMinnieMom

MickeyMinnieMom

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
No doubt...that’s what allows them to raise the points 8 dollars a year...if not more


Few...even though there are places like this where you can become fully educated...Disney sells primarily to the uneducated

It’s the intoxication of the name on the door. For some reason - people assume that Disney is NOT out to get them. It’s upside down logic. Or lack thereof.
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Meh. Sales is sales is sales. Even in the place where dreams come true... ;)
 

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