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News Disney Riviera Resort announced

toonaspie

New Member
I don't really see a difference in the different versions of the concept art (for better or worse). And that's keeping in mind that when this resort (and early concept art) was first announced, no one could even tell what the theme was supposed to be or what they meant theming wise by Riveria.
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
Anyone still want to argue that the original concept art was a best attempt?
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Honestly @GoofGoof , I think that this resort is beautiful, along with the room renderings and common areas. We are planning on staying there in December this year. Our son’s school district performs in WDW every other year. He happens to be in chorus so - bonus - we get to see him in the Candlelight Processional! We were staying only in BWV this December, but if this opens in December, we will be staying there for a split stay. We are quite psyched about it. Considering the potential crowd levels with everything new being open by then, we might not leave the resort! LOL
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
I guess everyone just sees what they want to see. To each their own. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind.
I think it looks like a pretty nice hotel, so we probably agree there. Where we might disagree is that I find it hard to imagine you'd be able to tell it was supposed to be themed if you hadn't read the press release and knew it was at WDW.

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GoofGoof

Well-Known Member
I think it looks like a pretty nice hotel, so we probably agree there. Where we might disagree is that I find it hard to imagine you'd be able to tell it was supposed to be themed if you hadn't read the press release and knew it was at WDW.

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Yes, it’s theme pales in comparison to Wilderness Lodge. 100% agreed. IMHO that’s also true of every other Disney resort except maybe AKL and Grand CA.
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
I guess everyone just sees what they want to see. To each their own. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind.
I'm with you. When I look at both the more recent concept art and what has been built, it looks like a very pretty resort to me and I think does evoke a European design. I'm certainly interested in staying there. That said, I do agree with the point that it could be more distinctive and interesting and some of the other examples that have been offered could have been "better". So, in judging Disney versus what they could have done, sure I can see the complaint.

But when people compare it to a generic hotel, I don't get it. Certainly seems a step up to me compared to anything ordinary. And I think the extra features (lakeside with walking path, central location with the Skyliner, roof top restaurant) will make it a popular place to stay.

Also, I do prefer the tower setup as I've stated before. While it does lead to a more repetitive overall design due to the height, as a resort guest it is so much nicer to be a short elevator ride away from amenities compared to how spread out over some resorts are at WDW.
 

eddie104

Well-Known Member
I'm with you. When I look at both the more recent concept art and what has been built, it looks like a very pretty resort to me and I think does evoke a European design. I'm certainly interested in staying there. That said, I do agree with the point that it could be more distinctive and interesting and some of the other examples that have been offered could have been "better". So, in judging Disney versus what they could have done, sure I can see the complaint.

But when people compare it to a generic hotel, I don't get it. Certainly seems a step up to me compared to anything ordinary. And I think the extra features (lakeside with walking path, central location with the Skyliner, roof top restaurant) will make it a popular place to stay.

Also, I do prefer the tower setup as I've stated before. While it does lead to a more repetitive overall design due to the height, as a resort guest it is so much nicer to be a short elevator ride away from amenities compared to how spread out over some resorts are at WDW.
Exactly it’s features doesn’t scream generic hotel. I think the color scheme is what is throwing people off because it actually has some nice elements like the roof and decorative details on the building itself. Compared to super grand examples like AKL....yea it lacks something.
 

GoofGoof

Well-Known Member
Honestly @GoofGoof , I think that this resort is beautiful, along with the room renderings and common areas. We are planning on staying there in December this year. Our son’s school district performs in WDW every other year. He happens to be in chorus so - bonus - we get to see him in the Candlelight Processional! We were staying only in BWV this December, but if this opens in December, we will be staying there for a split stay. We are quite psyched about it. Considering the potential crowd levels with everything new being open by then, we might not leave the resort! LOL
I know you are kidding, but there’s actually quite a bit to do at the resort when you consider it’s a short walk to CBR too. Between the two there are multiple pools, lots of dining options and activities like boat and bike rentals (I think they still have them at CBR) plus I’m sure they will have the regular DVC recreation options too. You can also hop the gondola to Boardwalk area for even more options. You could easily spend half a week without entering the parks and have plenty to do.
 

flyerjab

Well-Known Member
I know you are kidding, but there’s actually quite a bit to do at the resort when you consider it’s a short walk to CBR too. Between the two there are multiple pools, lots of dining options and activities like boat and bike rentals (I think they still have them at CBR) plus I’m sure they will have the regular DVC recreation options too. You can also hop the gondola to Boardwalk area for even more options. You could easily spend half a week without entering the parks and have plenty to do.
Actually, I was only partially kidding. On December 16th of any other year the parks are crazy crowded. Now add SW:GE, MMRR, new nighttime shows at DHS and Epcot, as well as new resorts and the Skyliner, we might be spending more time at the resort than normal. I can’t imagine what the crowd levels will be like on December 16th this year! But thanks for pointing out what more we can do at Riviera. With the walkway around to CBR, and the Skyliner to Boardwalk, that makes this a nice little area to explore! Already planning a run around that path. 🏃🏻‍♂️
 

creathir

Monorail and PeopleMover Fanatic
Premium Member
I’m honestly very excited about the Riviera.

It’s location is fantastic, and rooftop restaurant is exciting, and the room options look like they are geared perfectly for families of various sizes.

I’m sure it will look great. Sure it’s not Wilderness Lodge, but what is? It reminds me very much of Aulani, which yes, is just a giant tower, but still is a beautiful property nonetheless.

This will be the same.
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
Also, I do prefer the tower setup as I've stated before. While it does lead to a more repetitive overall design due to the height, as a resort guest it is so much nicer to be a short elevator ride away from amenities compared to how spread out over some resorts are at WDW.
I am with you on this. With the Deluxe resorts such as Wilderness Lodge I think it is a bit of a wash as the resorts are pretty compact anyway, but I'd much prefer a tower to the sprawling moderates. For this reason, I am warming to the tower at Coronado Springs. Not sure why they went with Spanish (Catalan?) instead of Southwest/Mexican theming, but if I were staying there again I would probably try to get a room in the tower as I like that more than the motel-style experience of the external corridors, etc.

For me, though, this one is just super bland. Based on the most recent announced resort that also lacks any identifiable theming beyond trees, it seems that for the time being Disney is stepping away from themed resorts.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
I am warming to the tower at Coronado Springs. Not sure why they went with Spanish (Catalan?) instead of Southwest/Mexican theming,
Interesting point. The Coronado Tower is a different (but related) architectural theme. Riviera is different from CBR. The Cove is different from the Swolphin. Reflections will be different from Wilderness. The last tower to match its nearby theming would be Bay Tower (which, absent the A-frame, isn't that match-y).

If AKL gets a tower, don't be surprised if it's Asian-themed.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
If AKL gets a tower, don't be surprised if it's Asian-themed.
I like where you're head's at! Alternatively, maybe they can go ahead and finally build that California Coast-inspired DVC adjacent to AKL. After all, parts of the California Coast share a similar climate with Southern Africa's Western Cape, and there are a few African-inspired restaurants in California, so it would be a natural fit. Walt Disney even visited the California Coast!

To make the process more efficient, perhaps they could design the building after this one: it's compact, includes balconies, and is completely authentic to San Francisco. Imagine this structure towering over AKL; one day we could only be so lucky... :inlove:

 
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Casper Gutman

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Yes, it’s theme pales in comparison to Wilderness Lodge. 100% agreed. IMHO that’s also true of every other Disney resort except maybe AKL and Grand CA.
The original GF is in there too. And Port Orleans. And the Yacht and Beach before their creeping de-theming. And all three of the top-tier hotels in Tokyo.

But that’s a high bar that the Riviera misses by a lot. I’d argue the list of Disney resorts that are more clearly, boldly, and satisfyingly themed then the Riviera includes Riverside, Coronado pre-tower, Boardwalk, Contemporary, Polynesian, as well as Paris’ Disneyland Hotel and Newport Bay club.

Basically, if the Riviera didn’t tell you in writing it was themed, it would be hard to figure it out. Even Disney’s more lackluster resorts convey a clear sense of place in a way the Riviera does not.
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
Interesting point. The Coronado Tower is a different (but related) architectural theme. Riviera is different from CBR. The Cove is different from the Swolphin. Reflections will be different from Wilderness. The last tower to match its nearby theming would be Bay Tower (which, absent the A-frame, isn't that match-y).
It's technically not a tower, but the Villas at GF deserve a shoutout here too.

The original resort was inspired by the Hotel del Coronado in San Diego; the new wing was inspired by the boxy starkness of Walmart, which they also have in San Diego. Observe the subtle but complementary differences - Disney is nailing it with these expansions!

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creathir

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Premium Member
Basically, if the Riviera didn’t tell you in writing it was themed, it would be hard to figure it out. Even Disney’s more lackluster resorts convey a clear sense of place in a way the Riviera does not.
Is this more the fault of the theming implementation itself or the topic?

The topic is fairly generic, spanning an entire coastline, crossing hundreds of miles and centuries of architecture and influence from two very different cultures.

To me it screams Mediterranean coast, with a very distinct French influence. Look no further than the balconies to get a sense of that.

The other resorts mentioned are very specific in their theme and direction. The GF being probably the most “varied” yet it was modeled after a very specific location in its own right, once again highlighting the theming with specificity.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
I know you are kidding, but there’s actually quite a bit to do at the resort when you consider it’s a short walk to CBR too. Between the two there are multiple pools, lots of dining options and activities like boat and bike rentals (I think they still have them at CBR) plus I’m sure they will have the regular DVC recreation options too. You can also hop the gondola to Boardwalk area for even more options. You could easily spend half a week without entering the parks and have plenty to do.
You probably forgot. We are supposed to be ignoring CBR. RIviera has quite enough to do on it's own. As a totally separate resort which just happens to be built right smack dab in the center of an existing resort. Please, going forward, ignore CBR.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Is this more the fault of the theming implementation itself or the topic?

The topic is fairly generic, spanning an entire coastline, crossing hundreds of miles and centuries of architecture and influence from two very different cultures.

To me it screams Mediterranean coast, with a very distinct French influence. Look no further than the balconies to get a sense of that.

The other resorts mentioned are very specific in their theme and direction. The GF being probably the most “varied” yet it was modeled after a very specific location in its own right, once again highlighting the theming with specificity.
Screams Mediterranean Coast?! Hardly. I looks like a typical hotel with architectural influences from 2004' It screams Resort Hotel Anywhere USA... If you have to hunt and search for the meager details that are there, I would say they didn't do a great job in thematics... It looks like a nice hotel...but does not seem up to the old Disney standards that built the other deluxe resorts. It is great to have a hotel with Sky Liner access... but they could and should have done a nice job on the design...It is funny that when they released the original first piece of art how many were saying that it was not of the actual hotel, but just the basic idea of a hotel...ha ha... it is looking every bit as plain as promised...
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
None of this is true concept art. They’re all renderings more than likely built off of the Revit model.
I'd be willing to be significant sums of money they are all Revit models using Lumion or maybe V-ray for rendering. No good artist would ever repeat patterns they way they are repeated in this "artwork". Look at the roof tiles in particular, for example. Shadows are too "perfect". There is virtually no depth of field present. Nearly the entirety of each image is over-exposed, washed-out. Every single shutter is the exact same shade as the others of the same kind. The blue shutters that are in shadow still are bright royal blue. These incongruity's are what make people think "something just seems off" when viewing the renderings. It's very hard to quantify, but qualitatively people realize the image just looks strange.

There has been virtually no change from the early concept "art" to what the later releases show (other than adding entourage). They are still oddly framed, showing far too much detail in areas they shouldn't, and lacking any real artistic aesthetic.

It's not as though WDI is incapable of producing good concept art. The artwork for the new TPFKAE is leaps and bounds better than all of the artwork released for any of the new hotels. They obviously didn't feel it necessary to devote the proper resources to create the concept art for which Disney became known. And judging by how many people "can't wait to stay here" I guess it was a judicious use of the firm's top concept artists, as they were quite obviously not tasked with creating the hotel concept art.
 
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