Jrb1979
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I hear this all the time. My answer is how do parks like SeaWorld and Busch Gardens manage? They seem to do just fine.
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Disney Analyst
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SeaWorld and Busch aren't going to have, and never will have the same weight or scrutiny placed upon them as the premiere, brand new theme park, first in decades, for Orlando, built by one of the premiere theme park companies.
Not to be blunt but, no one cares about them in any big way.
rd805
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4 yes: Carousel, MK, Ministry of Magic, Horror ride / Frankenstein - with the possibility that Yoshi, DK still operating (Honestly not certain if some/majority of it may be inside)? And the 2 big stage shows would run.
This is not going to be a finished park day 1 -- more will be added in time and they have the space for it already. I would image within 5 years of opening, a few more additions would be made whether it's Luigi's Mansion, another Dark World ride, as well as another HP ride.
Disney Analyst
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I have to assume Yoshi and DK will close for lightning, due to their outdoor portions, although they may be able to remain open if it's just light rain... unsure about Florida heavy rain.
Jrb1979
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You want can fix all that. Build a dome over the whole park.
Disney Analyst
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Hey, outdoor attractions are a-okay, it just needs a better balance. Me personally, I would have it better balanced from day one, and not wait for future expansions to do so.
Build for the climate, when all eyes are on you.
BrianLo
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Probably another good reason there is pressure to look forward to Luigi’s Mansion and the Great Hall dining experience.
The park should be comfortable with 8/9 million visitors in 2026. It likely wouldn’t be with 10+ in 2030.
Sea World and Busch Gardens is a day trip if that and or even an afterthought.
Disney Analyst
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It’s like comparing McDonald’s to Bull & Bear.
Different quality. Different standards.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Or simply different paces...
Not everyone vacations for a week in a theme park.
Many do things like... goto KSC on a day, then goto the beach for day or two, then goto Busch Gardens for a day, etc.
Something being a day trip isn't a Scarlett letter... it's only for people that only want everything to be the same as something else.
You don't say KSC is trash because you don't spend 3 days there. Yet... many will continue to judge that way because they were conditioned to visit Disney that way.
Wendy Pleakley
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Long waits for the two newest attractions don't reflect the whole story.
Last time I was at Universal, wait times became non-existent in the last hour or two before closing.
Universal has a different attendance pattern. They're not busy from open to close like Disney.
EU will help them grow their attendance, but will it hurt Disney? We heard that would be the case when Harry Potter opened for example. Disney continues to be the main draw.
BG is a dump
Jrb1979
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I agree. As I said earlier they are different type of guests for each park. Yes there is some crossover but not that much. Disney fans came to see Harry Potter. Aren't into the other IP or coasters.
Jrb1979
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Not at all. They have some the best coasters and their animals are as good as AK
Disney Analyst
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I’m certainly not implying anything you mentioned.
I am just saying that SeaWorld or Busch Gardens have different expectations, and the standards that will be expected of EU are not the same as those parks.
They are different.
Andrew25
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I partially agree, but I think Epic will perceived highly with 3/4 of its E-ticket attractions indoors.
Universal has an operations problem that still lingers from their pre-Potter days. Universal isn't busy open to close because they haven't conditioned guests to stay late with a proper nighttime show. Everybody knows that at 8 or 9PM, there will be a firework show at the end of Main Street or World Showcase lagoon. Universal just doesn't seem to push that... which is an odd business choice. When they had Cinematic Celebration running, they rarely advertised it (didn't do a marketing push until week of) and showtimes were all over the place, randomly not showing on weekends, et.. Poor TMs couldn't even tell you what time the show was.
I will continue to say this until something changes, but Universal has matched (sometimes surpassed) Disney in quality of their attractions and events... but they will also be held back by their poor in-park management and operations.
Vegas Disney Fan
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While I agree with this I think it’ll secure a second day for Uni that wasn’t guaranteed with a lot of people before.
We go back and forth between spending one or 2 days at Uni, the Hogwarts express already gets us to buy parkhoppers so we “can” do both parks in one day, 2 days is more relaxing but we still struggle to fill 2 full days at Uni, I think once Epic opens buying 2 day parkhoppers becomes a sure thing.
It may result in more parkhopper sales at WDW also, we usually skip the parkhopper option since we typically spend a full day at each park, but I don’t see us skipping a park entirely (due to the lost day to Uni) so we’ll likely get a hopper and combine AK and HS into one day. It’s still revenue loss to Disney but somewhat offset if we buy a more expensive ticket.
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MagicHappens1971
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Universal may know how to build attractions but they have no idea how to efficiently run them. Their customer service is horrible and it shows in how they run their parks
flynnibus
Premium Member
But the other guy calling them 'an afterthought' sure was minimizing them because of their scale.
And the different is what I was kinda pointing out. They are not trying to be these 'be in the bubble' experience WDW built out to be in the 90s and onward.
Things have gotten so bad at Universal Orlando with riff raff locals harassing the guests that UNI enacted a ban of 18 years old and younger weekend nights not allowed in CityWalk and parking garages . The exceptions is if minors are staying in UO resorts, accompanied by adult or seeing a movie at CW. Anything similar at WDW?