News Disney plans to accelerate Parks investment to $60 billion over 10 years

[Andrew C]

Largest expansion in the park’s history. That’s how new fantasyland was advertised.

 

[Jrb1979]

It’s the natural consequence of Genie+ and ILL. While it encourages lavish investment, because money can be directly recouped from in demand major attractions - it completely diminishes the desire or clear return on the very small experiences.

Had you told people 20 years ago Disney was going to stop with the spinners and only ‘attempt’ to build E-E+ attractions, people would be elated. But there comes a point of being unbalanced.

If all you have are E-tickets, it makes wait times high for everything. Parks need the smaller investments to balance that.

 

[SplashJacket]

They don't get parks and never have. Not everything new has to be an E-ticket. This tells me all they care about is how much ROI they can get with LL

See, I think the majority of new additions should be E-tickets. If you're opening a new land, have a main marque attraction and have a good supporting cast of D,C,Bs, but if you're just adding a random ride somewhere, it really should be an E-Ticket.

Everything new will be marketed, and if it's a C, is it really worth planning another trip around (or will it draw the attendance they want without disappointment?).

There's such a huge opportunity cost to start and project. If the opportunity cost of 2Cs and 2Bs are 2Es, why wouldn't we take 2 Es?

There's a place for every ticket, but the Mary Poppins plan always seemed ridiculously silly to me. If you're going to spend $75 million (no idea what the real number is) on a B+ ticket ride, why not spend $150 million and get a D+/E.

A child-friendly flat could be a great addition to Epcot, but modern B and C tickets should only be complementary to larger experiences. The opportunity and staffing costs of small rides are just too high to justify adding a lot of them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s the natural consequence of Genie+ and ILL. While it encourages lavish investment, because money can be directly recouped from in demand major attractions - it completely diminishes the desire or clear return on the very small experiences.

Had you told people 20 years ago Disney was going to stop with the spinners and only ‘attempt’ to build E-E+ attractions, people would be elated. But there comes a point of being unbalanced.

BS aside…they don’t have the minimum level to run genie at all and give the faint appearance it’s a good value

That’s the problem. The word is out. Sure they want to charge you $50 for it…but the feedback is causing them too many headaches

“We paid $50 and only got 2 rides out of it…” is hitting the street.

They can’t control the message. And when they can’t control the message…they go into brain scramble

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

See, I think the majority of new additions should be E-tickets. If you're opening a new land, have a main marque attraction and have a good supporting cast of D,C,Bs, but if you're just adding a random ride somewhere, it really should be an E-Ticket.

Everything new will be marketed, and if it's a C, is it really worth planning another trip around (or will it draw the attendance they want without disappointment?).

There's such a huge opportunity cost to start and project. If the opportunity cost of 2Cs and 2Bs are 2Es, why wouldn't we take 2 Es?

There's a place for every ticket, but the Mary Poppins plan always seemed ridiculously silly to me. If you're going to spend $75 million (no idea what the real number is) on a B+ ticket ride, why not spend $150 million and get a D+/E.

A child-friendly flat could be a great addition to Epcot, but modern B and C tickets should only be complementary to larger experiences. The opportunity and staffing costs of small rides are just too high to justify adding a lot of them.

At their prices…Es aren’t worth a trip. That’s what they’re finding.

Only full days are because it reduces the frustration and restores the sense of value.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If all you have are E-tickets, it makes wait times high for everything. Parks need the smaller investments to balance that.

Everyone's for more D and C rides until they get built.

And then it gets roasted on social media for not being an E.

 

[BrianLo]

BS aside…they don’t have the minimum level to run genie at all and give the faint appearance it’s a good value

That’s the problem. The word is out. Sure they want to charge you $50 for it…but the feedback is causing them too many headaches

“We paid $50 and only got 2 rides out of it…” is hitting the street.

They can’t control the message. And when they can’t control the message…they go into brain scramble

Exactly, they are scrambling. Which is not that surprising that AK has risen to the top. Single park G+ in that park is even more of a scam than elsewhere. Dinosaur is already a semi useless attraction to buy Genie+ for as it stands. Everest is easily rideable in single rider format. So people are paying upwards of 15$ for a spin on River Journey and another 15 for Kilimanjaro. It’s obscene.

 

[celluloid]

Everyone's for more D and C rides until they get built.

And then it gets roasted on social media for not being an E.

That is because WDW should not have parks going ten(often plus) years at a time without a new E-ticket.

 

[lazyboy97o]

See, I think the majority of new additions should be E-tickets. If you're opening a new land, have a main marque attraction and have a good supporting cast of D,C,Bs, but if you're just adding a random ride somewhere, it really should be an E-Ticket.

Everything new will be marketed, and if it's a C, is it really worth planning another trip around (or will it draw the attendance they want without disappointment?).

There's such a huge opportunity cost to start and project. If the opportunity cost of 2Cs and 2Bs are 2Es, why wouldn't we take 2 Es?

There's a place for every ticket, but the Mary Poppins plan always seemed ridiculously silly to me. If you're going to spend $75 million (no idea what the real number is) on a B+ ticket ride, why not spend $150 million and get a D+/E.

A child-friendly flat could be a great addition to Epcot, but modern B and C tickets should only be complementary to larger experiences. The opportunity and staffing costs of small rides are just too high to justify adding a lot of them.

The problem is that you end up inducing too much demand that your capacity becomes insufficient. The point of smaller additions isn’t to draw new customers but help absorb the new ones you’ve attracted with the bigger projects.

 

[James Alucobond]

There's such a huge opportunity cost to start and project. If the opportunity cost of 2Cs and 2Bs are 2Es, why wouldn't we take 2 Es?

There's a place for every ticket, but the Mary Poppins plan always seemed ridiculously silly to me. If you're going to spend $75 million (no idea what the real number is) on a B+ ticket ride, why not spend $150 million and get a D+/E.

A child-friendly flat could be a great addition to Epcot, but modern B and C tickets should only be complementary to larger experiences. The opportunity and staffing costs of small rides are just too high to justify adding a lot of them.

Maintenance for Es is often more costly. Es induce demand without sufficiently increasing capacity. Modern Es tend toward specific ride types that can unbalance the attraction mix for all age ranges.

 

[BrianLo]

That is because WDW should not have parks going ten(often plus) years at a time without a new E-ticket.

It’s not just that though. The Disney difference is doing an over the top job of their minor attractions.

But then when they do an over the top job of a Jr Coaster, people get critically harsh that it’s a Jr coaster - Oaken Sliding Sleighs.

It’s not the New Fantasyland problem. The draw wasn’t the Jr Coaster.

 

[celluloid]

It’s not just that though. The Disney difference is doing an over the top job of their minor attractions.

But then when they do an over the top job of a Jr Coaster, people get critically harsh that it’s a Jr coaster - Oaken Sliding Sleighs.

It’s not the New Fantasyland problem. The draw wasn’t the Jr Coaster.

There will always be some of that.

In terms of WDW.

The famine is real.

Disney also more recently has hyped everything as if it is the greatest E ticket. So the hype and marketing do not match.

Walt Disney Presents definitely showed the Tea Cups and the Flying Saucers as fun. Wordy described Dumbo with overhead B Roll footage.

Never spent an hour programing dedicated to any of those.

Even Mr. Toad, Peter Pan, Snow White etc...They are compliments and big fun.

They did not need hour long specials and years of specific hype. Pirates and HM could do that. They oversell like no other current smaller attractions because a lot of the times.

Information age has changed this.

The world is also more thrill seeking than it once was. So part of the Junior Coaster thing will have that happen with a lot of hype for it too. What kids are willing to have and experience with coaster elements of thrill today is much different in frequency than it was 30 plus years ago.

Hence why Disney's two last large investment for WDW were enclosed thrilling coasters when before it was Space, Splash, Thunder and eventually RnR and ToT was a huge deal.

 

[James Alucobond]

It’s not just that though. The Disney difference is doing an over the top job of their minor attractions.

Which is honestly why I wasn't as apparently offended as others by the Mary Poppins idea. Sounded like it had a stunning pre-show akin to Enchanted Tales even if it was ultimately a spinner.

 

[Jrb1979]

Everyone's for more D and C rides until they get built.

And then it gets roasted on social media for not being an E.

They wouldn't be roasted if they were marketed correctly. When they add an E to one park at the same time add the D and C rides at other parks at the same time

 

[Tha Realest]

At this point I'm hoping the 3rd Tropical Americas attraction stays on track.

I thought it was rumored to be trackless…?

 

[TalkingHead]

Everyone's for more D and C rides until they get built.

And then it gets roasted on social media for not being an E.

That’s also because marketing never allows them to level with guests. The Dwarves Mine Train got sold as the “new mountain” alongside Splash, Space, etc.

 

[James Alucobond]

They wouldn't be roasted if they were marketed correctly. When they add an E to one park at the same time add the D and C rides at other parks at the same time

I can't even think of things that opened recently without an accompanying E aside from some of the trickled attractions in the EPCOT redo.

 

[fgmnt]

BS aside…they don’t have the minimum level to run genie at all and give the faint appearance it’s a good value

That’s the problem. The word is out. Sure they want to charge you $50 for it…but the feedback is causing them too many headaches

“We paid $50 and only got 2 rides out of it…” is hitting the street.

They can’t control the message. And when they can’t control the message…they go into brain scramble

This has been my thesis. The opinion of the plugged in cynics for the last 15 years broke containment into general public consciousness some time 18 months ago. Toothpaste is out of the tube.

 

[Tha Realest]

This has been my thesis. The opinion of the plugged in cynics for the last 15 years broke containment into general public consciousness some time 18 months ago. Toothpaste is out of the tube.

That, and the variable pricing model starts to really mess with all the interwoven and interdependent revenue streams. Sure, G+ money looks good - but then guys in food and bev complain impulse treat purchases are tapering off, and they have a lot less in merchandise sales.

 

[fgmnt]

That, and the variable pricing model starts to really mess with all the interwoven and interdependent revenue streams. Sure, G+ money looks good - but then guys in food and bev complain impulse treat purchases are tapering off, and they have a lot less in merchandise sales.

Gate fee + DDP + Genie/ILL + Memory Maker + After Hours… how many guests have spent all the money they wanted before they even tap into the gate for the day?