Disney Parks and Consumer Products now one division

Disney Irish

Premium Member
i'll use frozen in epcot as an example of a ride that i think is very well executed (esp. considering it's an overlay) - m:b less so
...and i enjoy when i hop on, but am so opposed to its existence for multiple reasons

suppose compare it to a 'guilty pleasure' cheesy pop song or something - i can groove to it, but the thought of all music becoming such or nothing 'more' just grinds my gears (and ears)

granted, this is all colored with what is used, how it's used, so on and so forth; because it has to be - but it can be a very slippery slope creatively, as they'll be adaptations in one form or another
- the pandora approach is an interesting one, however, in that it uses the ip world as foundation yet ditches the characters... sw in a somewhat similar fashion - so, again, we'll see

However they are not all going to be GotG:MB and not all going to be Frozen. You are going to have hit and misses. Also you are going to have certain things that some like and some dislike. Its not an all or nothing type of situation. You gave Pandora and SW:GE as uses of IP but ditches the overall characters for the most part. These are going to be or have been well executed attractions.

To me there is plenty to be excited about the future of the parks.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
A bunch of cool rides is an amusement park. Themed entertainment is more than just that.

There is a difference though in say the latest cool unthemed coaster versus what is being built now with SW:GE. Whether you like the IP or not you have to admit they are pushing the boundaries of the theme park experience. Now is everything going to be a home run like Pandora or SW:GE, no of course not. But to say that from now on everything is going to be unthemed bland experiences like a local amusement park is really Chicken Little syndrome. Sorry the sky is not falling.
 

lazyboy97o

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There is a difference though in say the latest cool unthemed coaster versus what is being built now with SW:GE. Whether you like the IP or not you have to admit they are pushing the boundaries of the theme park experience. Now is everything going to be a home run like Pandora or SW:GE, no of course not. But to say that from now on everything is going to be unthemed bland experiences like a local amusement park is really Chicken Little syndrome. Sorry the sky is not falling.
Good job at missing the point and adding in a bunch of stuff I never said.
 

Disney Irish

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Good job at missing the point and adding in a bunch of stuff I never said.

You stated that a bunch of cool rides is an amusement park. But themed entertainment is more than that.

I'm stating that just because IP is used doesn't make it just a bunch of cool rides at an amusement park. And I gave SW:GE and Pandora as an example of highly themed entertainment while using IP.

I didn't miss your point, I just countered your point. You can disagree if you want, but that doesn't mean I missed your point.
 

smile

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I said the flood gates have opened a loooonnng time ago, and people told me to either get over it or to stop overreacting. Now people are upset.

Nothing new to see here.

tbh, i almost want to give roberto credit for finally calling a spade a spade, but making it 'official' makes me wary he added gasoline to the fire
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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the flood gates have opened...Now people are upset.

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FerretAfros

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As disappointing as the implications are, it's hardly a surprise. During last week's TWDC Annual Meeting of Shareholders, Iger said something to the effect of "I'm particularly looking forward to the upcoming studio releases, since they give us a lot of great new opportunities to liven up the parks."

I can't get an exact quote because the Q&A segment isn't available as audio or transcript (even though that's where the majority of the news-ish items tend to be in these meetings), but it was clear that he only views the parks as a dumping ground for IPs and nothing more. The concept of original and unique experiences are completely foreign to his framework, let alone a cohesive themed area. There was almost a touch of disdain in his voice when he talked about the parks, similar to Chef Skinner in Ratatouille talking about how trashy corndogs are

It's also curious that this shakeup wasn't announced as part of the shareholder meeting. Presumably they've been working on these changes for more than a week, so it's odd that they were announced by a simple press release rather than as part of the Company's biggest business meeting of the year that draws huge media attention for even the smallest announcements. It's almost as if they're trying to hide something from the shareholders
 

TROR

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Original Poster
There is a difference though in say the latest cool unthemed coaster versus what is being built now with SW:GE. Whether you like the IP or not you have to admit they are pushing the boundaries of the theme park experience. Now is everything going to be a home run like Pandora or SW:GE, no of course not. But to say that from now on everything is going to be unthemed bland experiences like a local amusement park is really Chicken Little syndrome. Sorry the sky is not falling.
DID SOMEONE SAY CHICKEN LITTLE?
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nevol

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To me there is plenty to be excited about the future of the parks.

Merchandising and retail managers and supply chain managers from a dying industry bring nothing at all to parks and resorts, which is a thriving division of the company. What would they bring to the movie studios? How could a profitable and successful and growing industry and division of the company gain anything from this merger when their current direction is working? Not only does this not bode well for anti-ip theme park purists, it doesn't seem to make sense for synergy folks either. The balance they've struck is working right now and they are spending like crazy to scale the business. IP discussion aside, there is no guarantee that the thousands of new uncreative labor with access to parks and resorts leadership and decision-making will be okay with the culture of scaling the business.

If you are optimistic about the future, that optimism is unrelated to this merger of corporate bureaucracies and based on the general business direction that precedes it. Furthermore, I don't believe that any mandates that constrain the design process, even though in some cases design benefits from constraints, is shown to create superior results. The darkest period of Disney parks history, end of the 90s and early 2000s, is when merchandising culture took over Disney parks. Show quality deteriorated, and maintenance deteriorated too, to the extent that people died. It cost hundreds of millions to restore disneyland before the 50th because show upkeep was relaxed. Shops became less diegetic and replaced with a system of pushing generic merchandise, mixed, and less lucrative show-relevant merchandising. Shops interior and fixtures were homogenized. Project budgets slashed for new attractions (but not for retail!) Rides that were deemed less popular or frequented by guests or expensive to maintain were closed or threatened with closure... see lincoln, country bears, the subs, treehouse. Tony baxter saved the subs with nemo, saved the treehouse with tarzan, and nobody would let pressler get away with closing lincoln because of its place in disneyland history. This merge isn't likely to excite hundreds of consumer products business managers about the nuances of themed entertainment; it is more likely to inject their [failing] business models and "processes" into imagineering and parks and resorts management the way that engineering processes were acquired in the late 70s/early 80s when wdi hired a ton of engineers to design epcot as the aerospace industry saw a dip in employment. We've recovered from pressler era, sort of, but the legacy survives, and I'm obviously afraid that history is repeating itself.

And how does merging the two help investors and business managers understand what divisions of the company are to credit with growth? Or what strategies are working? Maybe it would accelerate the flow of capital between these business divisions, freeing up capital for parks. Could projects get constructed more quickly? Perhaps. But if parks are already doing really well, it is just as likely that spending gets pulled out of parks to save other business models. If we had #thanksshanghai last year, because of funds being shuffled around to subsidize parks around the globe, imagine #thanksdcp, when hundreds of the disney stores are failing and disney pulls billions out of parks and resorts' theme parks and cruise ships to subsidize a failing business model. This news is kind of meaningless without seeing what that merging strategy is, the intent, and the corporate culture that will emerge. But it certainly doesn't automatically translate to good news or reason for optimism.
 
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__r.jr

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I'm stating that just because IP is used doesn't make it just a bunch of cool rides at an amusement park. And I gave SW:GE and Pandora as an example of highly themed entertainment while using IP.

I didn't miss your point, I just countered your point. You can disagree if you want, but that doesn't mean I missed your point.

No, you've definitely missed the point.

It's much, much more than creating enriched environments that are enslaved to an intellectual properties' own rules and mandates that have nothing to do with its neighboring, surrounding lands or let alone the theme parks they are inside of.

Disney gained recognition and acclaim for the application to theme to said amusement parks. What brought the public in? What attracted world class entertainers, influential politicians, and global leaders?

It was the creation of engulfing and engaging environments; Disney's application of originality, themed design and master urban planning; creating idealized and romanticized places from an array of time periods that blends history and fantasy seamlessly.
 

nevol

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So after reading the last few comments to my posts I've changed my mind. I'm now on-board that this is going to destroy the parks in a way that we have never seen before.

Sorry that I was optimistic about the future and trying to give everything a chance.

So anyone wanna start a Save Disney takeover with me?

LOL sarcasm aside, Roy Disney did that in order to oust Michael Eisner a little more than 10 years ago. He led a shareholder revolt. It was called Save Disney and around the same time a book came out called Disney War that chronicled his time at the company. It is all fun and games (and blind trust/optimism) until a decade or billions of dollars have been wasted, brand integrity destroyed, and finally stock performance.
 

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