News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Those meaningless, pesky facts...

And for the record, that "pointless debate" produced new (to me and a few others at least) information regarding the developmental relationship between an attraction and a movie, as well as alerting me to an interesting book I hadn't heard of before.
Fair enough. I'm not against a discussion tangent or two and it's not like there is any new info about the original topic that's getting buried by it. The only reason I called the debate pointless is because it was irrelevant to my original post that started it. Even if Dinosaur is based on an IP it still doesn't change the fact that AK is not a park based solely on IPs which was what we were debating.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Maybe. The one I go to has the following headliner rides not based on an IP: EE, Safari, Dinosaur and Kali River Rapids. There are also tons of minor attractions not based on IPs: the walking trails in Africa and Asia, the tree of life itself, Hambre Village area, conservation station, all of Dino land. The only attractions in the park based on IPs are the Nemo, Lion King and Bug shows. I would say it's pretty fair to say the park is not based on IPs.
No, but it has always had IPs. When Disney tries to make a park largely free of Disney Intellectual Property they historically add Disney IPs to it. See both EPCOT and Disney Sea.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
How was it not? They changed the name of the ride to match the movie. They stuck a huge model of the main character of the movie in front of the ride. THEY ADDED A TON OF MOVIE RELATED MERCH TO THE STORE AT THE EXIT. Is all that just crazy coincidence?

And @marni1971 would know better, but I believe they changed at LEAST some of the animation at the end.

Again... It doesn't matter how far they drill the movie at you on the ride. It doesn't have to be a "book report" ride. It doesn't matter if nobody remembers the movie. It was purposely changed to match the name of the movie, they started selling tied-in merch, and stuck a huge Aladar out front. That's an IP tie-in.
Theming Countdown to Extinction to Dinosaur is on par with how Six Flags "themes" their roller coasters. They changed the sign.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Yep. The ride predated the movie. Good old corporate synergy - a major theme at Disney during those days - asked the filmmakers to utilize aspects of the attraction. When the movie's characters tested ok, the attraction was then planned to be rethemed to the movie, which essentially was renaming it and throwing the statue in front. Usually the other way around, but not this time.
"During those days"?

We are in the middle of an age where Synergy has replaced logic and placemaking:
Monsters Inc in Tomorrowland
Nemo in the Seas Pavilion
Frozen Ever After in the Norway Pavilion
Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout in Hollywoodland
Guardians of the Galaxy potentially in Future World
Wreck it Ralph potentially in Tomorrowland
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
No, but it has always had IPs. When Disney tries to make a park largely free of Disney Intellectual Property they historically add Disney IPs to it. See both EPCOT and Disney Sea.
I'm fine with characters in EPCOT. I know some people who are old school EPCOT Center purists say they don't belong, but I don't mind Mickey and gang appearing in that or any other Disney park. There is a big jump from Mickey appearing in safari gear in a section of AK to an entire land based on Avatar.
 

Phil12

Well-Known Member
Two of the most popular rides to open at WDW recently are Soarin' and Expedition Everest and neither of them were based on pre-existing IP.

Chew on that.
That's a great idea! GotG would fit nicely with either or both of those attractions. Rocket Raccoon could fly along with us on Soarin' as a tour guide and Groot could battle the Yeti in EE. I like your thinking on this!
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
I'm fine with characters in EPCOT. I know some people who are old school EPCOT Center purists say they don't belong, but I don't mind Mickey and gang appearing in that or any other Disney park. There is a big jump from Mickey appearing in safari gear in a section of AK to an entire land based on Avatar.
The argument was never about Mickey and the gang walking around though. It's about the major attractions.
 

jayhawkmickey

Well-Known Member
I've been away for awhile doing the DL thing so I've missed a lot. In the posts and news releases about the new Star Wars rides months ago there was mention of a dark ride where the visitor is taken through a battle between the resistance and the new order in a ride vehicle. The art work looks similar to the ride system of GMR. Is it possible that the ride would be rethemed into the "new" Star Wars ride after the sponsorship is up? It would serve as the giant entryway into a star wars land. Just a question, no information.
 

RobidaFlats

Well-Known Member
The argument was never about Mickey and the gang walking around though. It's about the major attractions.

For most people, that is correct. But to be fair, I have met others who do indeed object to even the presence of Mickey walking around. I don't agree with them, but in this case the poster's comment is not hyperbole and there are those who make that argument.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
I've been away for awhile doing the DL thing so I've missed a lot. In the posts and news releases about the new Star Wars rides months ago there was mention of a dark ride where the visitor is taken through a battle between the resistance and the new order in a ride vehicle. The art work looks similar to the ride system of GMR. Is it possible that the ride would be rethemed into the "new" Star Wars ride after the sponsorship is up? It would serve as the giant entryway into a star wars land. Just a question, no information.
This should answer everything.
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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Today most of the baby boomers still have fond memories of old Hollywood.
Would that be the place that "never was and always will be"? That old Hollywood? I think you may overestimate the degree of concern that the baby boomers have for Hollywood. We were busy creating a new culture of sex, drugs and rock & roll. We went to movies because it was a good place to make out. Now... our parents did have a very high regard for tinsel-town. At this point just about all of them have passed so no real need for concern about their memories.
 

zengoth

Well-Known Member
Would that be the place that "never was and always will be"? That old Hollywood? I think you may overestimate the degree of concern that the baby boomers have for Hollywood. We were busy creating a new culture of sex, drugs and rock & roll. We went to movies because it was a good place to make out. Now... our parents did have a very high regard for tinsel-town. At this point just about all of them have passed so no real need for concern about their memories.
Don't underestimate the power of nostalgia-that-never-was. At least that's what i tell myself every time the renaissance fair rolls thru town and there's a line around the block to get in. Folks seem to love reliving the middle ages (as long as the beer flows and there's indoor plumbing)
 

articos

Well-Known Member
"During those days"?

We are in the middle of an age where Synergy has replaced logic and placemaking:
Monsters Inc in Tomorrowland
Nemo in the Seas Pavilion
Frozen Ever After in the Norway Pavilion
Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout in Hollywoodland
Guardians of the Galaxy potentially in Future World
Wreck it Ralph potentially in Tomorrowland
During the 80s, synergy was a newish concept for Disney. Eisner was pushing it hard companywide. It was a buzzword with departments in the divisions devoted to synergy. Now, it's just what the company does, everywhere.
 

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