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Sure I think that's true.

And that's why IMHO they don't need as many rides as a "normal" amusement/theme park would be expected to have since they have alternative attractions. So, instead of the 30+ rides I might expect at a "normal" park, it would be reasonable for parks heavy in other attractions to have fewer. IMHO 12-15 or so rides is a good base number for such parks.

Less than 10 rides in a park is embarrassing no matter how much other stuff is offered. Especially given the admission prices charged -- even considering multi-park tickets.
Since we're only discussing the merits of rides at the three specific parks that I mentioned- only one them has ever had 10 rides and it may have gotten to 11 for a short amount of time if you factor in the seasonal nature of Horizons and Wonders of Life, or unless you want to count the Friendships as a ride (I think they got to 10 for a period, but maybe not). It's been 10 or 9 for the majority of EPCOT's entire history, even during the EPCOT Center golden age. Studios may eventually get over 10 at some point in the distant future, but with GMR being replaced, the odds of that happening any time soon are next to nill unless they decide to toss another carny ride into Toy Story Land. Animal Kingdom will have 9 rides when Pandora opens, but I'm hoping that a tenth ride never shows up until they bulldoze 2 or 3 of the Dinoland attractions which would keep them from reaching 10.

So if you're saying that 3 of WDW's parks have existed in an embarrassing state for the vast, vast, vast majority of their history, you (and some other people here) should probably take your money elsewhere where there are more rides offered. ;)

I dont think thats what you were implying but it's still a fact that the 3 minor gates have mostly had less than 10 rides for all of their history.
 
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So... what's Hollywood Studios' theme again?
The same theme as all postmodern movie parks. They're all bad. Every region has em, and they're all filled with old IP and stale "behind the scenes" concepts. It fell out of favor with the public in the late 90's. That's why both Disney and Universal have been moving away from that facet of storytelling with almost every move they make at their studio parks.

Sure, the IP tie ins will always be there, but the "behind the scenes" and "movie set" stuff isn't a draw. Even the new movie parks in China and Dubai seem to stay away from much of that type of storytelling. The unfortunate thing is that both Orlando Studios parks were built in those concepts and are having severe identity issues while moving away from them.

Uni Hollywood has an ace up thier sleeve with the tram tour- but even that is moving away from being a tour and more towards immersive scenes closer to a typical ride story. Other related stuff around Uni Hollywood has been disappearing too.
 
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doctornick

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So you're saying that 3 of WDW's parks have existed in an embarrassing state for the vast, vast, vast majority of their history. If that's the case, you (and some other people here) should probably take your money elsewhere where there are more rides offered. ;)
Well, I would indeed argue that DAK and (especially) DHS have always been under build and underdeveloped and have warranted significant expansions for their entire existence, yes. If they weren't part of a larger resort, they would have withered and died long ago and only get the crowds they do because of multi-park tickets.

Epcot at least has had a ton of "other stuff" to do and the attractions it has had often were so time intensive that they filled the role of multiple rides in a more typical park. So, it tends to get a pass from me in terms of total count. That said, I do think it would benefit from some more rides as well, which I'm pleased to see seems to be planned. Re-opening WoL in some capacity would also be a good idea IMHO.
 
Well, I would indeed argue that DAK and (especially) DHS have always been under build and underdeveloped and have warranted significant expansions for their entire existence, yes. If they weren't part of a larger resort, they would have withered and died long ago and only get the crowds they do because of multi-park tickets.

Epcot at least has had a ton of "other stuff" to do and the attractions it has had often were so time intensive that they filled the role of multiple rides in a more typical park. So, it tends to get a pass from me in terms of total count. That said, I do think it would benefit from some more rides as well, which I'm pleased to see seems to be planned. Re-opening WoL in some capacity would also be a good idea IMHO.
I agree that EPCOT and the other parks offer more than just rides. That was my post on the page before. :)

Im always for more rides too though! And in the rides dept, the parks could use more. I was just trying to say that those 3 parks specifically are geared toward draws not relating to rides (of course, rides are still a major factor) and its always been that way.
 
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Well, I would indeed argue that DAK and (especially) If they weren't part of a larger resort, they would have withered and died long ago and only get the crowds they do because of multi-park tickets.
Yeah, Walt Disney World really stumbled into some dumb luck when they happened to decide to make those Walt Disney World theme parks part of the Walt Disney World resort, instead of stand-alone parks elsewhere.
 

Goob

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I realize this is off topic, but can someone provide a quick answer? Any word on a new name change or is it gonna stay Disney's Hollywood Studios? I would like to see a name change. There's nothing "studios" about it anymore.
 

Phicinfan

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I realize this is off topic, but can someone provide a quick answer? Any word on a new name change or is it gonna stay Disney's Hollywood Studios? I would like to see a name change. There's nothing "studios" about it anymore.
Multiple insiders have stated that the park would be re-named. No definitive name has been released or confirmed yet. I think...the leading name was Disney's Hollywood Experience or something like that.
 

DDLand

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Since we're only discussing the merits of rides at the three specific parks that I mentioned- only one them has ever had 10 rides and it may have gotten to 11 for a short amount of time if you factor in the seasonal nature of Horizons and Wonders of Life, or unless you want to count the Friendships as a ride (I think they got to 10 for a period, but maybe not). It's been 10 or 9 for the majority of EPCOT's entire history, even during the EPCOT Center golden age. Studios may eventually get over 10 at some point in the distant future, but with GMR being replaced, the odds of that happening any time soon are next to nill unless they decide to toss another carny ride into Toy Story Land. Animal Kingdom will have 9 rides when Pandora opens, but I'm hoping that a tenth ride never shows up until they bulldoze 2 or 3 of the Dinoland attractions which would keep them from reaching 10.

So if you're saying that 3 of WDW's parks have existed in an embarrassing state for the vast, vast, vast majority of their history, you (and some other people here) should probably take your money elsewhere where there are more rides offered. ;)

I dont think thats what you were implying but it's still a fact that the 3 minor gates have mostly had less than 10 rides for all of their history.
EPCOT Center was rounded out by shows and such, but let's focus on the rides in particular.

I'm going to do something that pains me as a true Disney's Animal Kingdom fan, but makes a profound point. By my count Disney's Animal Kingdom currently has the equivalent of just under 50 minutes of ride time (according to Wikipedia, so there could be variance). The vast majority of that is derived from two rides. One among the best Disney rides in the world, one a middle of the road ride.

Let's compare that to an admitted outlier attraction at EPCOT Center. The then cutting edge Energy Pavillion. On that one ride alone, you could enter a ride/presentation lasting 45 minutes. One ride consumed nearly as much time as an entire park's roster of rides! :eek:

Losing attractions like Horizons, World of Motion, Imagination, and Body Wars have slammed total ride time. In total, even with Soarin', EPCOT Center/Epcot has apparently lost more than 25 minutes of ride time by my count.

This slide is only going to continue.

When Energy finally is shuttered for a new Roller Coaster, we could be looking at more than 40 minutes more ride time gone.

Even with rumored additions, Epcot will never again reach the amount of time people could spend on rides.

Amazingly, even with more than 1 Billion spent, DHS will be in the same boat. The loss of Tram and GMR ride should evaporate any gains from Star Wars or Toy Story (unless Alcatraz has something up its sleeve).

Modern theme parks. Ride less. Shop more.

Oh, and you're going to need FastPass+!
 

TheVisionarySoul

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Original Poster
Multiple insiders have stated that the park would be re-named. No definitive name has been released or confirmed yet. I think...the leading name was Disney's Hollywood Experience or something like that.
Multiple insiders? Bob Iger himself said it would be renamed.

The rumored leading names seem to be (in no particular order):
Disney Hollywood
Disney's Hollywood
Disney Hollywoodland
Disney's Hollywoodland
Disney's Hollywood Adventure
Disney Hollywood Adventure

Hope that helps.
 

DDLand

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What is this Alcatraz I keep hearing about?
Alcatraz is the reported code name of one of the brand new E Tickets at Star Wars Experience. Sometimes described as an E Ticket+, it will integrate a host of advanced technologies into the most stunning attraction ever made.

Trackless vehicles. 150 audio animtronics (according to MiceChat). Perfect screen and set integration. Massive scale. Elevators. On board vehicle audio animtronics (a droid like R2-D2).

All on one ride.

The premise is a prison Breakout (hence the Alcatraz name). I imagine we're prisoners or rescuing prisoners and we have to evade fire from legions of First Order Storm Troopers and fight for freedom.

Along the way we'll be meeting two of these bad boys:

They will be shooting at you. In the ride.

This ride should, unless "something goes horribly wrong" (hey, it's Disney ;) ), be the best ride in the world. It's going to be mind blowing and massive.

Though I don't think I can properly hype this ride up with words. You're just going to have to wait until 2019! :D
 

TheVisionarySoul

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Original Poster
Alcatraz is the reported code name of one of the brand new E Tickets at Star Wars Experience. Sometimes described as an E Ticket+, it will integrate a host of advanced technologies into the most stunning attraction ever made.

Trackless vehicles. 150 audio animtronics (according to MiceChat). Perfect screen and set integration. Massive scale. Elevators. On board vehicle audio animtronics (a droid like R2-D2).

All on one ride.

The premise is a prison Breakout (hence the Alcatraz name). I imagine we're prisoners or rescuing prisoners and we have to evade fire from legions of First Order Storm Troopers and fight for freedom.

Along the way we'll be meeting two of these bad boys:

They will be shooting at you. In the ride.

This ride should, unless "something goes horribly wrong" (hey, it's Disney ;) ), be the best ride in the world. It's going to be mind blowing and massive.

Though I don't think I can properly hype this ride up with words. You're just going to have to wait until 2019! :D
It's also rumored to have a horrendous capacity.
 

uncle jimmy

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Multiple insiders? Bob Iger himself said it would be renamed.

The rumored leading names seem to be (in no particular order):
Disney Hollywood
Disney's Hollywood
Disney Hollywoodland
Disney's Hollywoodland
Disney's Hollywood Adventure
Disney Hollywood Adventure

Hope that helps.
Thought Hollywood was being dropped.
Disney Studio Adventure's
Disney Adventure Studio's
Disney's Adventureland
 
I've been wondering if the new name for DHS could be something like Mickey's Hollywoodland, or in any case something with "Mickey" in it. The new GMR will be centrally located and a key attraction in the park. There's already a huge hidden Mickey in the hub (which they could feature on the map) and Minnie has her dinner parties at Hollywood & Vine. Maybe Mickey could tie it all together somehow and give the park a new central theme.

I may be misremembering, but I thought @marni1971 mentioned something a while ago about a possible other Mickey presence in the park.

I've just been searching through this thread and maybe it's the following that I'm thinking of:

This saga may run and run. There may be a chapter two.
More about the GMR and other.... connected topics. Time will tell.
 
Alcatraz is the reported code name of one of the brand new E Tickets at Star Wars Experience. Sometimes described as an E Ticket+, it will integrate a host of advanced technologies into the most stunning attraction ever made.

Trackless vehicles. 150 audio animtronics (according to MiceChat). Perfect screen and set integration. Massive scale. Elevators. On board vehicle audio animtronics (a droid like R2-D2).

All on one ride.

The premise is a prison Breakout (hence the Alcatraz name). I imagine we're prisoners or rescuing prisoners and we have to evade fire from legions of First Order Storm Troopers and fight for freedom.

Along the way we'll be meeting two of these bad boys:

They will be shooting at you. In the ride.

This ride should, unless "something goes horribly wrong" (hey, it's Disney ;) ), be the best ride in the world. It's going to be mind blowing and massive.

Though I don't think I can properly hype this ride up with words. You're just going to have to wait until 2019! :D
150 figures seems more accurate. Thats double what Pirates at dl has. 150 AA's would be epic though! Lets hope!
 
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