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The main problem with the land is the lack of substance. And yeah, the Storybook Canal Boats and Casey Jr would indeed help alleviate that somewhat (preferably with another dark ride or two). I'm not a huge fan of a circus theme, but those additions at least would have provided something to do and I would be more satisfied. Even Disneyland's Toontown has a Roger Rabbit dark ride.
I just don't like Barnstormer, not enough theming to interest me (and there is even less theming than it had when the area was Toontown). Dumbo is pretty, but its relocation really ruined the nice view it used to have in its original location.
Pinocchio would've worked wonders there. Isn't the M&G tent not even all that popular?
They have wild parties with champagne and caviar, wild women and loud music.
"We're the best at everything we do!!!"
"Yeah, no one can touch us!!!"
"Uh, guys, shouldn't we be working?"
It's not like Joe really has a say in the matter. He's in charge of all things Marvel stateside so he's automatically put on this project.
It's not like he made the call to green-light the project. He's just following orders.
"Just following orders."
Sigh...
I feel like Rhode is in more of a Musker & Clements situation, and this is his Hercules. I can't lose respect for the guy, given his situation and his batting average.
Wha-? Hercules is much better than the ToT decision.
Well the land will have one E ticket one B ticket and one D ticket pretty solid land if you ask me
Really? I see a D, C, and a B at most.
Disney to some degree still allows him to do the sort of stuff that clearly peaks his interest, namely Disney's Animal Kingdom. Universal only does the sort of stuff you are saying he should leave over.
Jaws is really the only loss I'd put even close to the level of ToT for as long as I've been visiting UOR. Even then Diagon Alley as a whole is more than worth it.
Another worry is TSMM is considered an E.
Without getting into the whole ticket argument again.
By WDI do you mean internally or are you referring to that guys comment?
Well.. Define by what you mean by "E Ticket". That's always the rub. Is it an E because of the amount of expense making it and thus it had cost more to ride as were the original Es? Or is it an E because of the amount of production and theming and bells & whistles, and thus, graded as outstanding in its field? Or is it an E because it's popular?
That one.
That you disagree with Disney's own designation of what is E or isn't E shows that the term is rather nebulous and means different things to different people.
BTW, if there were no lines, I'd ride TSMM a hundred times over before thinking about getting on MK's PotC or TGMM. Being an E doesn't mean it's considered better by everyone.
Exactly. In my mind the Ticket designation is based on objective facts.
It's this (E)
Vs. this (B)
How fun it is to each individual person is not a factor. It's perfectly possible to find any lower Ticket more fun than an E. Doesn't change the fact that the E is an E because of how much more it has put into it.
The flaw in your statement is the notion that certain Disney attractions should only appeal to a singular "target audience", discounting everyone else.
"You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway."
-Walt Disney
Even simple rides like the classic Fantasyland dark rides have an appeal that encompasses all demographics. They may need some updates, but I still quite enjoy these sorts of rides that some would argue appeal more to children. The reason is that the imagineers created them with adults in mind just as much as children, there is a lot to admire in them that children would not even notice or appreciate. And in spite of their simplicity, they still reflect a certain level of design know-how and quality that their creators had. Rides like these would be a far better substitute than the fare TSL is getting, and without breaking the bank.
Though again the imagineers need a certain level of competence and resourcefulness that might be lost on the current batch working there at present (myself and others such as tirian have noted there seems to be a lack of good forced perspective effects in some modern attractions).
This, and you don't even need to see the internal documents to realize this. Little Mermaid in particular seems to have disappointed even its target audience considering the short lines (and I don't even hate it as much as some other people do). Mine Train draws a crowd, but mostly due to low capacity and relatively meager options elsewhere in the land (Disneyland's Fantasyland has something in the range of 2x the amount of rides WDW's has). It is the closest thing New Fantasyland has to a quality experience at least.
Even the wait times for the meet and greets have diminished greatly in favor of more substantial attractions (which is saying something considering how low capacity these meetings are).
A Pixar land of dark rides is exactly what I would've preferred. If they wanted to do just one E I'd go for Incredibles.
They could fix that by gutting Enchanted Tales with Belle and putting in the dark ride Tokyo's getting
I would've been fine if all they did with B&tB in MK was a big castle with just Be Our Guest and the ride inside. The spot where Enchanted Tales is would've been a purpose built Fairytale Hall. SWSA would've stayed as a great compliment to SDMT.
Individual rides target individual age groups all the time...its when an entire park targets a certain group or when there are no rides at all where families can ride together that causes "issues"
I'd say a land too. What DHS needed was it's Fantasyland. This ain't it.
If we count Kong as an E or D in Universal, TSMM is a D.
As far as I'm concerned, popularity should play at least a slight factor in ticket class. Like Tiki Room and Country Bears were Es, but I'd say by modern standards they'd be Ds. But factor in popularity and if classify them as Bs or Cs.
On the other hand, I'd classify Frozen Ever After as a C (same as most dark rides, while some show scenes may be underwhelming, the tech and the added effect of it being a boat ride and going backwards and having short hills definitely make up for that enough to make it at least a C). BUT with how popular it is, id give it a D ticket.
Toy Story midway mania is a solid C in my opinion that gets a boost to D status due to popularity.
Aliens Suacer Spin will probably be a B (C with popularity) unless it surprises me with theming.
Slinky Dog (depending on theming) will probably be a C or D with a boost to D or E for the first few years of its life.
I know a lot will disagree with me on classifying things this way, but I feel like popularity and crowds should be taken into account.
E: Kong
D: Frozen, Mermaid, TSMM
C: Slinky
B: Buzz
I understand what you are saying, but, those two rides/attractions cannot really be compared.ToT may contain more detail but, for many it is not an attraction that they can fully enjoy. That drop prevents a whole lot of folks from getting to experience it fully and therefore might qualify as a, so called, E ticket for those that can participate and handle a thrill experience. TSMM, certainly not as detailed in the ride portion, but, chocked pretty full of detail in the queue area, (like ToT) and based on the popularity, which exceeds ToT a lot of the time it would have to be thought of as an E where everyone that experiences the detailed queue can also experience the rest of the ride. It really is an apples and oranges comparison but depending on what side of the thrill fence you are on would give it a different rating.
They're both attractions. People not being able to experience one over the other doesn't change the fact that one has a lot more put into it than the other.
Lol, but if they're going to be flooding WS with more IP I'd take B&tB over Ratatouille.
