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[October82]

Lack of access is BS. You can literally fall over and get a vaccine. In my city in a purple state you can find a vaccine within 5 minutes walking and ITS FREE.

Yes, the vaccine is free. This is a good thing. But kind of irrelevant if you don't know it's free. Or you don't live in a city. Or you can't take time off work to get the vaccine.

People like you and me have access to the vaccine. Being able to trip over yourself and get vaccinated is what it means to have access to the vaccine. It's not remarkable that you would think it's easy to get the vaccine. That's the access problem.

In my state 55% of Dems are vaccinated and 53% of Republicans are. Meanwhile 67% of whites are, while less than 40% of Black and Brown people are. That said my county which is Blue Blue Blue only has about 50% vaccinated but went 83% blue last election. The news is telling you it’s Republicans that aren’t getting vaccinated l, and while there absolutely is some who aren’t. The number of those who are democratic voters is not far off at all. The false equivalence is and always been the vaccine status follows party lines. Oh. And I’m in the southeast.

I'm not talking about anything reported in the news. If you ask people, in scientific studies, what their political party affiliation is (along with other things), political party affiliation is one of the strongest predictors of vaccine hesitancy. Political party affiliation is about 10 times more predictive of vaccine hesitancy than demographics.

As an aside, a 55% total vaccination rate at this point is really proving the point here. The combination of high vaccine hesitancy and low vaccine access is really hurting the Southeastern US. We should spend less time arguing about "who" is to blame, and more time solving these problems.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

School mandates may happen in 5 or 6 states. Not going to be anywhere near enough. You do realize that there are 26 republican governors and many purple states. School vaccination mandates do not poll well everywhere. I have a house in Tennessee and townhouses in Illinois and Florida and I can tell you it may not even make it in Illinois.

There's no valid argument against mandatory school vaccines unless you want to throw out all those measles vaccines, too.

It's unbelievable what the stupid people in this country get away with putting the rest of us through.

 

[Bullseye1967]

The pandemic will end, but not because Covid has gone away. Covid is already an endemic disease - it will be with us indefinitely - but the rate of spread and the public health impact will be determined by the vaccination rate in certain communities. Without vaccine mandates, Covid infections will be quite common among children. As vaccine mandates fade from the political debate, parents will advocate for the obvious things that protect their children from exposure to a serious and preventable disease. It won't be tomorrow, and a lot of people will get sick needlessly before it happens, but state and local leaders will ultimately implement vaccine mandates.



Yes, I do realize that.

Keep dreaming!

 

[bdearl41]

Yes, the vaccine is free. This is a good thing. But kind of irrelevant if you don't know it's free. Or you don't live in a city. Or you can't take time off work to get the vaccine.

People like you and me have access to the vaccine. Being able to trip over yourself and get vaccinated is what it means to have access to the vaccine. It's not remarkable that you would think it's easy to get the vaccine. That's the access problem.



I'm not talking about anything reported in the news. If you ask people, in scientific studies, what their political party affiliation is (along with other things), political party affiliation is one of the strongest predictors of vaccine hesitancy. Political party affiliation is about 10 times more predictive of vaccine hesitancy than demographics.

As an aside, a 55% total vaccination rate at this point is really proving the point here. The combination of high vaccine hesitancy and low vaccine access is really hurting the Southeastern US. We should spend less time arguing about "who" is to blame, and more time solving these problems.

Southeast is currently in better shape than most the country.

 

[Touchdown]

That 80-90% number is not just the vaccinated people. It’s also the people who got Covid and mounted a severe enough reaction to it that they made memory B and T cells to the infection, we don’t know the exact number of how many infected people do this but it’s probably a majority (but not all and that’s why public health officials don’t mention it.).

The Southeast is doing better now because they are just getting over a wave, and it’s closer to that 80% number then the Midwest is now. You know who’s doing even better then the southeast? California, which of any state in the country is lithe closest to that majic number due to a high vaccination rate and recent delta surge. We’re going to keep having these seasonal waves until we reach that number, they will get less severe but still happen. It seems like the Midwest is at its peak right now (numbers are decreasing) but it’s hard to tell because the weather is still nice. In 2 weeks we’ll probably know for sure if this is a slump or the start of an actual decline. Not surprisingly, states with lower vaccination rates are having a worse time then those with higher rates, but that always gets swept under the rug.

 

[mikejs78]

You do realize that in the years it will take the politicization to end that it will be over due to vaccination and immunity due to getting it. Like I said it is nice to dream but talk to me in 2039 when Florida and Texas have any state wide vaccine mandates much less for school kids.

You do realize that FL and TX already have vaccine mandates in schools for pretty much every other vaccine other than COVID. That's what makes this whole thing so strange and, frankly, stupid.

 

[mikejs78]

That 80-90% number is not just the vaccinated people. It’s also the people who got Covid and mounted a severe enough reaction to it that they made memory B and T cells to the infection, we don’t know the exact number of how many infected people do this but it’s probably a majority (but not all and that’s why public health officials don’t mention it.).

The Southeast is doing better now because they are just getting over a wave, and it’s closer to that 80% number then the Midwest is now. You know who’s doing even better then the southeast? California, which of any state in the country is lithe closest to that majic number due to a high vaccination rate and recent delta surge. We’re going to keep having these seasonal waves until we reach that number, they will get less severe but still happen. It seems like the Midwest is at its peak right now (numbers are decreasing) but it’s hard to tell because the weather is still nice. In 2 weeks we’ll probably know for sure if this is a slump or the start of an actual decline. Not surprisingly, states with lower vaccination rates are having a worse time then those with higher rates, but that always gets swept under the rug.

Couple of things

* We don't know the overlap in people who have had the vaccine and people who have previous infections.
* Natural infection is messier in general. Vaccines Target multiple vectors to develop a robust response. Natural infection does not and for those infections that are severe enough to develop memory (B-Cells, T-Cells), we don't yet know or understand the level of immunity one gets with natural infection, how long it lasts, and how suceptible it will be to mutations. Also, new humans are born every day and become potential vectors of infection that could spark a mutation that potentially beats both vaccines and natural infections.

That's why universal vaccination is important. The COVID vaccine will eventually become part of the standard set of childhood vaccines, to prevent widespread infection and mutation.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The COVID vaccine will eventually become part of the standard set of childhood vaccines, to prevent widespread infection and mutation.

No it won't. It will be endemic and kids will catch it, just like they catch the other four endemic coronaviruses.

 

[mikejs78]

No it won't. It will be endemic and kids will catch it, just like they catch the other four endemic coronaviruses.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Chicken pox is endemic too and we have vaccines for that which is part of the standard set, even though it's not dangerous for kids.

It will be a standard part of the childhood vaccine regimin. It may take a decade to get there because of the ridiculous politicization, but it will.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Chicken pox is endemic too and we have vaccines for that which is part of the standard set, even though it's not dangerous for kids.

It will be a standard part of the childhood vaccine regimin. It may take a decade to get there because of the ridiculous politicization, but it will.

The standard childhood vaccine regimen is one-time and prevents the targeted diseases pretty close to 100%, and pretty close to permanently. The COVID vaccines don't have anywhere near that efficacy or longevity.

It will be more like the flu shot. Many kids get it. Some schools require it. Others don't. And it will be nowhere near universal.

 

[crawale]

Couple of things

* We don't know the overlap in people who have had the vaccine and people who have previous infections.
* Natural infection is messier in general. Vaccines Target multiple vectors to develop a robust response. Natural infection does not and for those infections that are severe enough to develop memory (B-Cells, T-Cells), we don't yet know or understand the level of immunity one gets with natural infection, how long it lasts, and how suceptible it will be to mutations. Also, new humans are born every day and become potential vectors of infection that could spark a mutation that potentially beats both vaccines and natural infections.

That's why universal vaccination is important. The COVID vaccine will eventually become part of the standard set of childhood vaccines, to prevent widespread infection and mutation.

A vaccine prevents a person getting the disease - eg smallpox. The COVID 'vaccines' are not vaccines but are shots like the flu shot. As we see they do not prevent disease or the spread of disease and if, as Pfizer states booster will be needed every 3 months, they are unworkable for new variants in a similar way that a flu shot prevents against last year's flu and may only be as effective as 50% against the current strain. Why do you say the vaccine prevents mutations when it obviously does not when people who were vaccinated early can contract new variants? We know as much about how long natural immunity lasts as we do about 'vaccine' immunity, where now 'boosters' are being needed, does not last very long. Much better to invest in therapeutics to combat COVID including variants so why is this not happening and why when we do have effective therapeutics is the government withholding them? If Pfizer is correct about their own vaccine and I don't know why we should not believe them can you say a shot required every few months is a vaccine at all?

 

[mikejs78]

The standard childhood vaccine regimen is one-time and prevents the targeted diseases pretty close to 100%, and pretty close to permanently. The COVID vaccines don't have anywhere near that efficacy or longevity.

It will be more like the flu shot. Many kids get it. Some schools require it. Others don't. And it will be nowhere near universal.

That's absolutely not true. There are several childhood vaccines that require boosters over time. The TDap, for example, requires a booster every 10 years.

And you're wrong about the "pretty close to 100%" comment. The efficacy of most vaccines isn't that high, but the fact that nearly everyone has them makes them close to 100% (which is what the covid vaccine would do if everyone would just get a damn shot).

As far as longevity,.we don't know yet about the covid vaccine. Some vaccines are 3 dose regimons. We don't know yet about the COVID vaccine. There is some evidence that the third dose could offer a layer of protection that lasts years. This is nothing like the flu vaccine, and the disease nothing like the flu.

 

[Ayla]

A vaccine prevents a person getting the disease - eg smallpox. The COVID 'vaccines' are not vaccines but are shots like the flu shot. As we see they do not prevent disease or the spread of disease and if, as Pfizer states booster will be needed every 3 months, they are unworkable for new variants in a similar way that a flu shot prevents against last year's flu and may only be as effective as 50% against the current strain. Why do you say the vaccine prevents mutations when it obviously does not when people who were vaccinated early can contract new variants? We know as much about how long natural immunity lasts as we do about 'vaccine' immunity, where now 'boosters' are being needed, does not last very long. Much better to invest in therapeutics to combat COVID including variants so why is this not happening and why when we do have effective therapeutics is the government withholding them? If Pfizer is correct about their own vaccine and I don't know why we should not believe them can you say a shot required every few months is a vaccine at all?

Oh boy. So much disinformation in this post. Are we really STILL doing this?!

 

[Andrew C]

Oh boy. So much disinformation in this post. Are we really STILL doing this?!

Rather than reply, maybe just ignore it?

 

[Trauma]

There's no valid argument against mandatory school vaccines unless you want to throw out all those measles vaccines, too.

It's unbelievable what the stupid people in this country get away with putting the rest of us through.

Overall, across these 43 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (53%) was 1.2 times higher than the rate for Black people (45%)

What’s the word again for a white man who refers to minorities as stupid?

I think it begins with a R….

 

[MisterPenguin]

A vaccine prevents a person getting the disease - eg smallpox. The COVID 'vaccines' are not vaccines but are shots like the flu shot. As we see they do not prevent disease or the spread of disease and if, as Pfizer states booster will be needed every 3 months, they are unworkable for new variants in a similar way that a flu shot prevents against last year's flu and may only be as effective as 50% against the current strain. Why do you say the vaccine prevents mutations when it obviously does not when people who were vaccinated early can contract new variants? We know as much about how long natural immunity lasts as we do about 'vaccine' immunity, where now 'boosters' are being needed, does not last very long. Much better to invest in therapeutics to combat COVID including variants so why is this not happening and why when we do have effective therapeutics is the government withholding them? If Pfizer is correct about their own vaccine and I don't know why we should not believe them can you say a shot required every few months is a vaccine at all?

1. A vaccine does not prevent infection from the disease it targets. It works by making your immune system primed to fight it the moment it appears. That's almost always enough to prevent "serious illness" (i.e., hospitalization) and death.

2. Successful vaccines which makes the virus almost completely gone, or indeed, completely gone comes about by getting everyone vaccinated enough to achieve 'herd immunity.' This is the case with measles. But the measles virus still exists in pockets around the world and thus still can show up in the U.S.

3. SARS-COVID viruses *may* be impossible to completely eradicate because they can continue to exist in animal populations and they mutate. Yes, this is similar to the flu, but the flu is pretty endemic because we don't have enough compliance among the general population to get the current flu vaccine. If everyone got a yearly shot that targeted the current COVID, flu, and rhinovirus (and the new mRNA vaccines makes that very doable), then those endemic diseases will become not so endemic.

4. Shots "every few months" is not a thing anybody is saying. More like once a year like for the flu. COVID is so mutate-y right now because it is new ("novel") and has a few billion people incubating it. Once everyone is vaccinated, the appearance of new variants will slow down.

5. Pfizer doesn't say boosters are needed every 3 months. Do you have a citation for that?

6. When you talk about "being effective against the strain" you have to distinguish effective at doing what? From being infected? Or, from being hospitalized or dying? For the latter, all three of our U.S. vaccines are still very effective a year later.

7. While we certainly should develop therapeutics, watch out... that's a rallying cry of the anti-vaxxers. Rather than getting a very effective shot, they'd rather take their chances and get an IV of a therapeutic in a hospital bed. It's crazy. If COVID puts you in the hospital, you're still getting stuck with needles with experimental medicinal regimes. Just get vaccinated.

8. Nobody is holding back therapeutics. Do you have a citation for that?

 

[mikejs78]

To quote Luke Skywalker "Everything you just said was wrong".

A vaccine prevents a person getting the disease - eg smallpox. The COVID 'vaccines' are not vaccines but are shots like the flu shot.

Wrong. A vaccine is something that teaches your immune system to fight off a disease. Every vaccine, from the flu shot to the TDap to MMR to Varicella to the Covid vaccines do exactly that. They do it, however, to different efficacies. (e.g. some are better than others.

No vaccine is 100% effective at preventing disease. The best ones are >90%, which is where the Covid vaccine is. The worst ones (e.g. the Flu vaccine) are around 50-60% effective. But even the least effective vaccines (like the flu vaccines) are good at preventing severe outcomes.

As we see they do not prevent disease or the spread of disease

Yes, they do. If you look at vaccinated vs unvaccinated cases, it's not even close. The vaccines in the most reliable trial data are still ~80-85% effective at preventing infection in most people. The numbers end up getting skewed by the senior population, where vaccine efficacy wanes more, and hence the decision to provide them with a booster. But in the < 60 crowd, vaccine efficacy remains high for preventing the disease altogether.

Also, those who are vaccinated and do contract the disease are much more likely not to spread it. Although they can spread it, they are *much* less likely to spread it to others due to shorter infection time as the immune system kicks in and gets rid of the virus.

as Pfizer states booster will be needed every 3 months

No they have not said that, and the science doesn't support that.

they are unworkable for new variants in a similar way that a flu shot prevents against last year's flu and may only be as effective as 50% against the current strain.

Also not true. The vaccine is highly effective against the Delta varient. We have not yet seen a vareint that has broken a vaccine. The vaccines are slightly less effective against Delta, but not much.

Why do you say the vaccine prevents mutations when it obviously does not when people who were vaccinated early can contract new variants?

If the vast majority of people are vaccinated, then the virus has no where to go and can't mutate. There won't *be* new varients if the vast majority of people are vaccinated.

We know as much about how long natural immunity lasts as we do about 'vaccine' immunity, where now 'boosters' are being needed, does not last very long.

Vaccine efficacy *is* lasting for people < 50. There are many current vaccines that require boosters every 10 years, or boosters as you get older. If you travel to a high risk part of the world, you are recommended to get a Polio booster. Why? Not because the Polio vaccine is not effective, but because you can still contract and get Polio if you're in an area with sufficient community spread.

With all vaccines, there's strength in numbers. The more people who are vaccinated, the higher the level of protection we would have, the less room there would be for varients.

Based on the way that the Covid vaccines have shown to work on the immune system, many virologists think that a third dose may be enough to provide years of protection (as there are other vaccines that require 3 doses spaced apart by months). It's possible that the two dose regimine was too close together to provide longer lasting protection,but we were in a pandemic and it was the best way to stop hospitalization and death.

Much better to invest in therapeutics to combat COVID including variants so why is this not happening and why when we do have effective therapeutics is the government withholding them?

We are investing in theraputics - Mercer just announced the results of a trial for one this week. But both vaccines and theraputics are needed to defeat the pandemic. And the government isn't witholding any access to proven theraputics.

If Pfizer is correct about their own vaccine and I don't know why we should not believe them can you say a shot required every few months is a vaccine at all?

I mean, Pfizer never said that, so....

 

[The Mom]

Please do not turn this into another general Covid thread - the topic is updates in WDW mask policy, not a discussion on vaccines, etc. Obviously the % of people vaccinated has an impact on the mask policy, but the old argument of whether or not you think it should belongs elsewhere.

 

[Trauma]

Please do not turn this into another general Covid thread - the topic is updates in WDW mask policy, not a discussion on vaccines, etc. Obviously the % of people vaccinated has an impact on the mask policy, but the old argument of whether or not you think it should belongs elsewhere.

Sorry I brought up how we determine it’s time to remove the mask mandate and the response I received was by vaccination %.

Then it went off the rails from there.

I don’t think vaccination % is the metric that Disney will use to make decisions anyways, but I’m not privy to those discussions.

 

[bdearl41]

Please do not turn this into another general Covid thread - the topic is updates in WDW mask policy, not a discussion on vaccines, etc. Obviously the % of people vaccinated has an impact on the mask policy, but the old argument of whether or not you think it should belongs elsewhere.

Sorry Mom.