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[mikejs78]

Except you are assuming the enough people are smart enough to get themselves or their kids vaccinated (when available). Some say 80 or 90 percent are the magic number. Someone who took a jab to keep their job may not get their 3 kids vaccinated. 80 percent of the population including children would be a long shot. 90 percent is never going to happen.

School mandates will eventually happen. Like I said, we are at 75% one shot, 68% fully vaxxed in MA. I bet we hit 85% by the end of the year.

 

[mikejs78]

Overall, 6,866,236 people or 54% of Illinois's population has been fully vaccinated.

These are the stats for my very blue state of Illinois.

This is why it doesn’t seem possible.

IL does have almost 70% with one shot. So it's not anti vaxxers per se, your state needs outreach getting people the second shot.

 

[Trauma]

School mandates will eventually happen. Like I said, we are at 75% one shot, 68% fully vaxxed in MA. I bet we hit 85% by the end of the year.

Well thank god things are going will in MA!!

Problem solved folks MA will take it from here!

 

[mikejs78]

Well thank god things are going will in MA!!

Problem solved folks MA will take it from here!

Just showing that it's possible.

 

[Trauma]

Just showing that it's possible.

Well since something is theoretically possible we should continue to all wear masks, in case one day it somehow becomes true.

 

[October82]

School mandates will eventually happen. Like I said, we are at 75% one shot, 68% fully vaxxed in MA. I bet we hit 85% by the end of the year.

The issue isn't whether 80+% is possible, I'd guess we hit 85% on average by the "end" of this thing, it's that we will have very high rates some places (95+%) and very low rates in other places. With low rates in some places, there will be plenty of people infected and spreading Covid that high vaccination rate areas don't see an end to community spread. Perhaps contact tracing will be sufficient to keep transmission rates in high vaccination rate areas low, but I'd be surprised if we ever see an end to community spread in low vaccination areas.

 

[Bullseye1967]

School mandates will eventually happen. Like I said, we are at 75% one shot, 68% fully vaxxed in MA. I bet we hit 85% by the end of the year.

School mandates may happen in 5 or 6 states. Not going to be anywhere near enough. You do realize that there are 26 republican governors and many purple states. School vaccination mandates do not poll well everywhere. I have a house in Tennessee and townhouses in Illinois and Florida and I can tell you it may not even make it in Illinois.

 

[Chi84]

School mandates may happen in 5 or 6 states. Not going to be anywhere near enough. You do realize that there are 26 republican governors and many purple states. School vaccination mandates do not poll well everywhere. I have a house in Tennessee and townhouses in Illinois and Florida and I can tell you it may not even make it in Illinois.

That’s likely one of the reasons the CDC is not talking about making mask guidance dependent on vaccination.

 

[mikejs78]

School mandates may happen in 5 or 6 states. Not going to be anywhere near enough. You do realize that there are 26 republican governors and many purple states. School vaccination mandates do not poll well everywhere. I have a house in Tennessee and townhouses in Illinois and Florida and I can tell you it may not even make it in Illinois.

And that's why we are going to be stuck in this madness for a while.

 

[October82]

School mandates may happen in 5 or 6 states. Not going to be anywhere near enough. You do realize that there are 26 republican governors and many purple states. School vaccination mandates do not poll well everywhere. I have a house in Tennessee and townhouses in Illinois and Florida and I can tell you it may not even make it in Illinois.

The Covid vaccine will almost certainly be mandated in every state, just as other vaccines are. The only thing preventing such mandates is the (temporary) politicization of the topic. There is no public health or educational rationale for doing otherwise.

 

[Tom P.]

The Covid vaccine will almost certainly be mandated in every state, just as other vaccines are. The only thing preventing such mandates is the (temporary) politicization of the topic. There is no public health or educational rationale for doing otherwise.

If you think that the politicization of this topic is only temporary or that states like Florida and Texas will ever mandate the vaccine, then you are living in a different reality than I am.

 

[October82]

If you think that the politicization of this topic is only temporary or that states like Florida and Texas will ever mandate the vaccine, then you are living in a different reality than I am.

The politicization will no doubt be lengthy, but it won't be forever. Reality always wins in the end.

To be clear, I'm not particularly optimistic, but I'd put the over/under on vaccine mandates for public schools in every state at ~5 years.

 

[Bullseye1967]

The Covid vaccine will almost certainly be mandated in every state, just as other vaccines are. The only thing preventing such mandates is the (temporary) politicization of the topic. There is no public health or educational rationale for doing otherwise.

I respectfully disagree. That will never happen in the US we live in. Nice to have a wish list but we have to live in reality.

 

[October82]

I respectfully disagree. That will never happen in the US we live in. Nice to have a wish list but we have to live in reality.

Which is precisely why the covid vaccines will be added to the vaccines that are already mandated. The lifetime of politicized issues is, with only a few exceptions, about one election cycle. The vaccine mandates will probably still be a (minor) issue in the 2024 election, then largely forgotten about. Covid will still be around and it'll still be a health concern for schools. Parents will care more about the health of their children than the political talking points from the "distant" past, and that'll lead to slow adoption of vaccine mandates pretty much everywhere. That is, of course, if federal mandates don't come along before that.

 

[Bullseye1967]

The politicization will no doubt be lengthy, but it won't be forever. Reality always wins in the end.

To be clear, I'm not particularly optimistic, but I'd put the over/under on vaccine mandates for public schools in every state at ~5 years.

You do realize that in the years it will take the politicization to end that it will be over due to vaccination and immunity due to getting it. Like I said it is nice to dream but talk to me in 2039 when Florida and Texas have any state wide vaccine mandates much less for school kids.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Which is precisely why the covid vaccines will be added to the vaccines that are already mandated. The lifetime of politicized issues is, with only a few exceptions, about one election cycle. The vaccine mandates will probably still be a (minor) issue in the 2024 election, then largely forgotten about. Covid will still be around and it'll still be a health concern for schools. Parents will care more about the health of their children than the political talking points from the "distant" past, and that'll lead to slow adoption of vaccine mandates pretty much everywhere. That is, of course, if federal mandates don't come along before that.

You do realize the has never been a federal vaccine mandate for all citizens or all school children. The is a reason for that. States do their own thing according to the way federal law is written.

 

[bdearl41]

Overall, 6,866,236 people or 54% of Illinois's population has been fully vaccinated.

These are the stats for my very blue state of Illinois.

This is why it doesn’t seem possible.

This is problematic. Again and again political affiliations have not been the primary function of those going unvaccinated. Lack of vaccinated are much higher in minority populations than in any measurable political sphere. This is a talking point that is just simply incorrect.
The blatantly obvious truth is the mandates are disparate discrimination against communities of color yet we refuse to talk about that fact.
It’s much less a blue/red thing and much more a history of trust/distrust of the population’s overseers.

 

[October82]

You do realize that in the years it will take the politicization to end that it will be over due to vaccination and immunity due to getting it. Like I said it is nice to dream but talk to me in 2039 when Florida and Texas have any state wide vaccine mandates much less for school kids.

The pandemic will end, but not because Covid has gone away. Covid is already an endemic disease - it will be with us indefinitely - but the rate of spread and the public health impact will be determined by the vaccination rate in certain communities. Without vaccine mandates, Covid infections will be quite common among children. As vaccine mandates fade from the political debate, parents will advocate for the obvious things that protect their children from exposure to a serious and preventable disease. It won't be tomorrow, and a lot of people will get sick needlessly before it happens, but state and local leaders will ultimately implement vaccine mandates.

You do realize the has never been a federal vaccine mandate for all citizens or all school children. The is a reason for that. States do their own thing according to the way federal law is written.

Yes, I do realize that.

 

[October82]

This is problematic. Again and again political affiliations have not been the primary function of those going unvaccinated. Lack of vaccinated are much higher in minority populations than in any measurable political sphere. This is a talking point that is just simply incorrect.

There's a bit of a false equivalence here. Lack of vaccination has two major causes, lack of access to vaccines and hesitancy to get vaccinated. Some populations are less likely to get vaccinated because they lack the ability to take time off work, lack information about the vaccines, or some combination of factors. This tends to correlate along lines of race and income. While this is concerning, it has a fairly obvious solution - expand access to the vaccine.

There is a separate issue, which is vaccine hesitancy. This strongly correlates with beliefs about authority, educational attainment, and yes, with political party affiliation. These things are also connected. States in the Southeastern US, for example, both have problems around vaccine access and a large amount of vaccine hesitancy. This is a bigger problem - if you're convinced the vaccine will cause you harm, it's hard to convince you to get vaccinated.

 

[bdearl41]

There's a bit of a false equivalence here. Lack of vaccination has two major causes, lack of access to vaccines and hesitancy to get vaccinated. Some populations are less likely to get vaccinated because they lack the ability to take time off work, lack information about the vaccines, or some combination of factors. This tends to correlate along lines of race and income.

There is a separate issue, which is vaccine hesitancy. This strongly correlates with beliefs about authority, educational attainment, and yes, with political party affiliation. These things are also connected. States in the Southeastern US, for example, both have problems around vaccine access and a large amount of vaccine hesitancy.

Lack of access is BS. You can literally fall over and get a vaccine. In my city in a purple state you can find a vaccine within 5 minutes walking and ITS FREE. In my state 55% of Dems are vaccinated and 53% of Republicans are. Meanwhile 67% of whites are, while less than 40% of Black and Brown people are. That said my county which is Blue Blue Blue only has about 50% vaccinated but went 83% blue last election. The news is telling you it’s Republicans that aren’t getting vaccinated l, and while there absolutely is some who aren’t. The number of those who are democratic voters is not far off at all. The false equivalence is and always been the vaccine status follows party lines. Oh. And I’m in the southeast. They set up a federal vaccination site in my city and shut it down early because not enough takers. Again. 83% of the county went blue…in a state that voted for Trump but went dem for governor. Purple state, deep blue county, very diverse county, 50% vaccinated.