MickeyTigg
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thedisneyfan said:
Where are you getting that from? AK did not bring more people to WDW, nor did it get people to stay longer...in fact it canabalized the attendence of the other parks.
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Where are you getting that from? AK did not bring more people to WDW, nor did it get people to stay longer...in fact it canabalized the attendence of the other parks.
No more additional parks!
I agree with Disneyfan. Expansion to the existing parks would
be much better than builiding a new park. Look at the excitement
with Expedition Everest, or Mission Space? A new attraction brings
attendance levels up more than a new park, in my opinion. And
some new countries in Worldshowcase is a great idea. India would
be cool, but how about Brazil? They could offer a "Amazon river"
type cruise! Also, remember a few years ago, where they had
countries with small exhibts housed in the building over near Canada?
Why not make that a permanent exhibt?
I agree with Disneyfan. Expansion to the existing parks would
be much better than builiding a new park. Look at the excitement
with Expedition Everest, or Mission Space? A new attraction brings
attendance levels up more than a new park, in my opinion. And
some new countries in Worldshowcase is a great idea. India would
be cool, but how about Brazil? They could offer a "Amazon river"
type cruise! Also, remember a few years ago, where they had
countries with small exhibts housed in the building over near Canada?
Why not make that a permanent exhibt?
Uhhh - I beg to disagree....
From what I saw on Sat. I beg to disagree - all the parks were slammed and attendance was up at all four parks. We could not get away from the crowds. Cannabalize - no. Add more space for more people - yes. Think of what happens when you add on to your house - you get more stuff. More room = more people. A 5th and possibly 6th park would only add to the space that they can fit people in.
As far as your observations on people staying longer, I think that it can go both ways. The average trip to WDW seems to be about 3-5 days for people across country and a weekend for people who can drive to WDW in one day. Personally, I go every weekend due to my pass and stay about once a month. And I can tell you that most visitors that I talk to go to all four parks and one of the competition while they are there. It is easier for them to float around and see everything than to plan one day, one park.
And don't get me started on the cruises.
Sorry for a scorching response, as I have not read the last 100 posts, but this statement needed clarification from someone on the frontlines.
-J
TiggerRPh said:
From what I saw on Sat. I beg to disagree - all the parks were slammed and attendance was up at all four parks. We could not get away from the crowds. Cannabalize - no. Add more space for more people - yes. Think of what happens when you add on to your house - you get more stuff. More room = more people. A 5th and possibly 6th park would only add to the space that they can fit people in.
As far as your observations on people staying longer, I think that it can go both ways. The average trip to WDW seems to be about 3-5 days for people across country and a weekend for people who can drive to WDW in one day. Personally, I go every weekend due to my pass and stay about once a month. And I can tell you that most visitors that I talk to go to all four parks and one of the competition while they are there. It is easier for them to float around and see everything than to plan one day, one park.
And don't get me started on the cruises.
Sorry for a scorching response, as I have not read the last 100 posts, but this statement needed clarification from someone on the frontlines.
-J
BigKahuna said:
I also agree - but there are two concepts that could be here - Florida Adventure and Disney Sea. Where I can see these integrated into existing parks, I also know that there is precious little room left around MK, Epcot, and MGM. I am a big fan of putting in a central parking facility and building a new park on MK parking lot and/ or Epcot's parking lot similar to what was done at Disneyland. From a planning standpoint, this makes the most sense to me - concentrate the parks together and keep some open wooded areas to keep the differentials.
Just my $0.02
/Flame on!
It took from 1998 until 2004 for WDW as a whole to grow total park attendance beyond what it was prior to DAK opening.....NautOneFL said:
DAK did not, until recently, have positive effects on total park attendance.
MGM and Epcot both had a few years of double-digit declines in attendance when DAK opened.
MickeyTigg
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NautOneFL said:
No need to apologize....you're just wrong. You're talking about the beginning of Spring Break for many schools so this is a "peak time". If you look at the news articles from when AK opened up.....total attendance for the WDW parks has not increased significantly from pre 9/11.
AK has not increased attendance...nor will another park.
NautOneFL said:
Florida Adventure.....why?....*worst idea ever*
DisneySea.....
hmm....how about a "new idea"
Central parking = traffic nightmare.....un-needed expense. It was the only option in CA, where the park is surrounded by development......it is not the only option here.....probably not even on the drawing board.
Plenty of land still exists......if a new park is ever built....why put it so close to the MK......it would ruin the isolated feeling of being in the MK
TiggerRPh said:
Not going to be in a flame war with you, but from actually seeing the parks themselves - attendance is up to pre-9/11 and is growing. Tourism officials have been touting the growing number all over the place. Where as your numbers (from whatever source you have) may show the same attendance as pre-9/11, the fact is that the crowds are starting to come. Bookings are up and to tell you the truth - ALL parks were busy three weeks ago BEFORE spring break season.
I see that you are DVC - how often do you go?
-J
wannab@dis
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Did the increase of total park attendance have to do with DAK or was it more in line with the increase of tourism after 9/11 and more people travelling in general?speck76 said:
It's hard to say if 9/11 affected the capability of DAK increasing attendance or not. I'm not sure many people decided to go to WDW just because of the addition of DAK. However, it may be a catalyst for travelling sooner or for returning.
I tend to think new parks will only be needed to 'spread out' guests and MAYBE to increase length of stay. But I'm not really sure it will entice them to come in the first place. That's why I'm a proponent of changes/additions to existing parks to further balance out the existing offerings.
speck76 said:
Two words: Urban Sprawl.
My suggestions could also be looked at as expansions. And from a planning aspect - central parking (cars at the edge of WDW as opposed to in the central part) allows you to create a more isolated experience - without tons of cars running around. The immagineers have proven time and time again that they know how to run traffic through the parks. All this is speculation at this point and people can get way overly passionate about thier opinions. My personal opinion is that they should bring the other parks up to speed before they do anything. Sat - there was paint peeling on the benches outside the hacienda across from POC and there were lots of maintenance issues arounnd.
MickeyTigg
New Member
NautOneFL said:
Why do you insist on making this discussion hostile?
:lookaroun
Disagreeing with your opinion is not a flame war.
I don't care what you've seen....the numbers will prove you wrong. AK has been open for over 5 years I believe and attendance figures have just approached pre 9/11 numbers with in the last year or so.
Yes...attendance increasing but not because of AK and it never has. If you look at the numbers MK, Studios, and Epcot numbers went down when AK opened.
Most experts will tell you that additional parks at any one location will not cause increased attendance...it will cause canibalization....look it up.
I'm done discussing this because it's just pointless to try.
MKCP 1985
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:brick: Oh, boy. If you want to see maintenance issues, try the competition.NautOneFL said:
I challenge anyone to find a better maintained, visually appealing public place than a Disney park.
I'll bet there is no bird p00p or chipped paint in heaven, but if you look hard enough, you'll find it EVERYWHERE else. :wave:
NautOneFL said:
Urban Sprawl???? I fail to see how that has anything to do with WDW.
Considering people will still need to drive to the hotels, the current road system is still needed. To add auxillary transportation to another location to pick-up the remainder of the guests is a waste of money......you are talking about BILLIONS of dollars being spent to solve a problem that does not exist.
Ghostbuster626
Member
You guys realize this article is ancient pre-management change right? Disney will continue to invest in Disneyland and WDW just dont expect the addition of entire theme parks. A 5th. gate will happen just not in the next 5-10 years. I'm personally glad because now they can focus on building up existing parks and realizing there potential.
NautOneFL said:
<----tourism official
Visitor counts are up....the tourism growth is down.
The second half of this year will be "challenging" to say the least.
The volitility of the tourist segment in Orlando is still high....which is why you see limited hotel construction.....and no park construction. Even SeaWorld's new waterpark was pushed back a year...maybe longer.
Ghostbuster626
Member
speck76 said:
You know when tourism growth is down thats when your supposed to build grand rides to entice people to come back.
Ghostbuster626
Member
speck76 said:
hmm