Disney guest chokes girl who was blocking view of fireworks, deputies say

RustySpork

RustySpork

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Laketravis said:
That's what I thought as well - but the woman's lawyer claims there were other witnesses that weren't interviewed. I suppose it's possible that by the time actual law enforcement arrived the only witnesses left were the woman and the group of teenagers. Someone else commented about the lack of video, which is surprising since it seems everyone at WDW is either already taking pictures with their phones or are ready to.
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That sounds like a typical claim that a lawyer might make though. Keep in mind this woman probably thinks the world revolves around her and she has some sort of right to watch Wishes while sitting on her .. rear end.
 
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Lets Respect

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Don't forget the effect of the Central Florida weather. That day was 84 degrees with a humidity level of 60%, giving a real feel of near 90 degrees. It's well known that crime goes up in the warmer months. Jam pack tens of thousands of people in a theme park with long lines and high temps and it's a wonder there aren't many more incidents like this.
 
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GrammieBee

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jakeman said:
No. Those aren't facts that define the situation.

The first 3 are excuses being made for this lady's behavior (if the account is accurate).

The only fact we have is that an arrest was made. Any sort of contributing factor is just speculation and finger pointing.

The lady has a choice in how to react. The choice was her's alone.
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Well, I guess I will have to disagree with you. The first three are facts and not excuses for the woman's behavior. The Magic Kingdom is crowded, fact,, people do get tired and cranky,fact, and some people will react badly to frustration, fact... This woman apparently did react badly and was arrested, fact... Conscious, or not, yes, it was her choice. But let us not play the " holier than thou" game.
 
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GoofGoof

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Laketravis said:
No one is claiming that these acts of aggression aren't solely the fault of the aggressor, what they are doing is expanding the conversation by offering what circumstances or external factors may lead a normally rational person to behave that way.
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IMHO what you and others are doing by "expanding the conversation" is making excuses for the behavior and I think that is too common in our society today. You can say that it is not your intent to make excuses but we will have to agree to disagree on that. There were thousands of other people there that day and every other day subject to that same set of circumstances like high prices, extensive planning, "false advertising" and huge crowds. Not everyone faced the situation of someone blocking their view but it's pretty common. Those circumstances shouldn't and don't normally lead to a physical altercation.

Since we don't see eye to eye I don't see the point in wasting everyone's time going back and forth on this anymore. The great thing about this place is you see all kinds of opinions and different ways to look at a situation. Let's chalk it up to a difference of opinion.
 
ford91exploder

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Lets Respect said:
Don't forget the effect of the Central Florida weather. That day was 84 degrees with a humidity level of 60%, giving a real feel of near 90 degrees. It's well known that crime goes up in the warmer months. Jam pack tens of thousands of people in a theme park with long lines and high temps and it's a wonder there aren't many more incidents like this.
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Exactly
 
ford91exploder

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GoofGoof said:
IMHO what you and others are doing by "expanding the conversation" is making excuses for the behavior and I think that is too common in our society today. You can say that it is not your intent to make excuses but we will have to agree to disagree on that. There were thousands of other people there that day and every other day subject to that same set of circumstances like high prices, extensive planning, "false advertising" and huge crowds. Not everyone faced the situation of someone blocking their view but it's pretty common. Those circumstances shouldn't and don't normally lead to a physical altercation.

Since we don't see eye to eye I don't see the point in wasting everyone's time going back and forth on this anymore. The great thing about this place is you see all kinds of opinions and different ways to look at a situation. Let's chalk it up to a difference of opinion.
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Here's the thing - at least I am not excusing the criminal behavior on the part of the guest. Yet Disney creates a situation which makes incidents of this nature likely. Just because the woman was unable to control her impulses does not excuse disney's penchant for nuts to butts crowding. which tends to bring out the worst tendencies in people.

Two wrongs have NEVER made a right.
 
21stamps

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Am I the only one who gets more annoyed and angered by traffic and stupid drivers when on my way to work in the morning than by someone blocking my view of fireworks and having to move a few inches? Lol.
 
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natatomic

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I feel like no one is making excuses, it's just some people on here realize that's there are sh*tty people in this world, and even if it's only .1% of the population, on a 50,000 day, that's still 50 sh*tty people in the park. Whether it's someone who choked a kid or whether it's a smart*** teen who made the whole thing up, someone did something inexcusable, but it doesn't SURPRISE us because humans - when stressed, frustrated, or knocked down off their pedestal - can sometimes be terrible.
 
Laketravis

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GoofGoof said:
You can say that it is not your intent to make excuses but we will have to agree to disagree on that..
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What's interesting and perhaps a larger societal problem is how you can claim to know that my intent is completely different than what I've explained it to be. I've explained that I am not making excuses but you insist that I am. Under many other conditions that would be tantamount to calling me a liar and I can't help but wonder how that would progress if we were both standing face to face in hot crowded conditions, tired from a full day of activity and looking forward to fireworks of a different kind. Luckily, we are not and we can simply agree to disagree.
 
Laketravis

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21stamps said:
Am I the only one who gets more annoyed and angered by traffic and stupid drivers when on my way to work in the morning than by someone blocking my view of fireworks and having to move a few inches? Lol.
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No, but apparently you and others get more annoyed when anyone says they aren't surprised that someone would be annoyed by having their view of fireworks blocked. Which is rather annoying, I might add :)
 
Incomudro

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rob0519 said:
For those of us on this forum or even returning quests to WDW we have learned and now know what to expect and not expect from a visit to the resort. We've seen the price and crowd increases year after year.

For the new visitor however, I think Disney's marketing does sort of border on some parts of "misleading" or "bait and switch". They show a small family happily walking through the MK, holding hands with Mickey Mouse, watching fireworks with no one within 3 feet of them and then that perfect shot of the Castle from the resort room. Then that low price for a value resort and one day one park tickets flashes across the screen in white print on a light background so quickly no human alive could read it. Add to that, no mention of reserving your dinners 180 days in advance and your attractions 60 days in advance.

For most people this is a one time vacation and it may have taken them years to save for it or possibly they put it on a credit card to give their kids something special. Then on the website they get slammed with price / value reality, ADRs and Fast Pass+. Then they get to the parks and see nothing is like it is in the commercials and that a hot dog is $11.00.

None of this condones physical altercations, but add this to 90+ degree heat and it's easy to understand how quickly disappointment and frustration can set in.
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Do not agree at all re. the commercials and ads.
We might as well say that it's misleading to advertise cars depicted travelling at high speed down empty winding mountain roads, when reality might dictate sitting in stop and go urban traffic, or obeying low speed limits.
Might as well complain that the images shown in poolside or beach shots depict beautiful people with fit bodies, when in actuality the waterside is inhabited by hippos.
Do we really think, really expect Disney should run ads showing people standing in lines with 90 minute wait times on the sign?
Or, standing room only crowds at fireworks?
The woman in question was a beast, and that's that.
 
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Lets Respect

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The day a customer seriously assaults another customer at Wishes due to overcrowding, to the point of real physical injury, will be the day Disney sees a lawsuit bigger than their lawyers' worst nightmares. They will be held responsible for the conditions that they allow, whether they like it or not. Maybe that is why they are amping up the security lately, I'm not even kidding
 
jakeman

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GrammieBee said:
Well, I guess I will have to disagree with you. The first three are facts and not excuses for the woman's behavior. The Magic Kingdom is crowded, fact,, people do get tired and cranky,fact, and some people will react badly to frustration, fact... This woman apparently did react badly and was arrested, fact... Conscious, or not, yes, it was her choice. But let us not play the " holier than thou" game.
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It's not "holier than thou" to expect an adult to act like an adult.
ford91exploder said:
Here's the thing - at least I am not excusing the criminal behavior on the part of the guest. Yet Disney creates a situation which makes incidents of this nature likely. Just because the woman was unable to control her impulses does not excuse disney's penchant for nuts to butts crowding. which tends to bring out the worst tendencies in people.

Two wrongs have NEVER made a right.
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"I'm not excusing the lady's behavior except it was totally Disney's fault."

Man good thing it's not like a 9 or something at Magic Kingdom. Who knows what would have happened if it was actually crowded.

I'm tapping out. This is a circular argument that is all rather moot now once the lawyers are involved.

Everyone beware the Walt Disney World commercial. It may cause your neighbor to garrote you.
 
21stamps

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Incomudro said:
This entire thread is based on the report that she did choke the girl.
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And the past several pages really are inconsequential to if she did it or not. It's the fact that people are looking at Disney to somehow be ultimately responsible for her snap.. even while they're adding the disclaimer that "her actions are her responsibility...BUT if Disney didn't (insert any complaint here)".

It's scary how society has become so quick to look for a bigger fish to fry..and basically providing an excuse for personal behavior.
 

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