CaptinEO
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Especially when you know in 6 months they'll have a magic key with "genie" included.
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Disney Genie/Genie+ On Their Way to Anaheim
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SplashGhost
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The Dream Keys would look a lot better if they included Genie+.
milordsloth
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That's what I was saying. This new system sounds like that won't be an option.
milordsloth
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I feel like by not including this with the Keys means less people will be using it on busy days, making it more useful for those who do buy it.
Stevek
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I haven’t read anything to make me believe it will be any different beyond the 2 upsell attractions
milordsloth
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From the announcement, emphasis mine: "For the price of $15 per ticket per day at Walt Disney World Resort and $20 per ticket per day at Disneyland Resort, choose the next available time to arrive at a variety of attractions and experiences using the Lightning Lane entrance. You can make one selection at a time, throughout the day"
That sounds to me like a downgrade from Maxpass. I hope that gets changed/clarified and some sort of time limit is added also.
Stevek
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I think we just need clarification. It’s vague, my gut tells me it will be the same. You can make one selection at a time, doesn’t mean you can’t hold more than one at a time.
Maybe… or maybe not. Apparently in WDW you will only be able to add Genie+ to your ticket in advance if it is a date-based ticket. That makes me think they are preparing for date-based pricing for Genie+, which would definitely disincentivize them from offering a fixed-price AP add-on. I don’t think they will offer an annual AP/MK add-on (like they did with MaxPass) unless not enough APs purchase the current daily Genie+ add-on.
For me, I kind of predicted this was going to happen and eventually FP would stop being a free option. This was writing on the wall for a long time now, once Max Pass was released. I think the plan was to eventually faze out FPs and Max Pass was going to ultimately become the only option people had. This was probably a few more years away but the pandemic just pushed these plans up a lot faster like a lot o the changes.
Sure I will miss FP but this is not a bad thing overall. I think $20 to get as many FPs as you want is reasonable. Now what I DON'T like is that they will upsell the top rides for MORE money. Yeah that rubs me the wrong way too. That's just out and out greed but it is Disney lol.
I have to be honest, I'm shocked it really took this long to happen considering all the other parks never made the front of the line option free and in fact went the opposite way and charged a HUGE amount for them. I can't imagine paying $90 for an 'express pass' at USH when A. It cost nearly as much as the admission ticket itself and B. We're talking what, for 6-7 rides? And yet they easily sell them, especially on busy days. Disney clearly saw all the money they were losing when people were spending $100 per person for these front of the line passes. So I'm personally fine with it. Will I ever buy it myself, doubtful, but it's at least reasonable to consider it.
I'm more curious what people think about it at WDW since unlike us, FP+ offered advance FPs for months in advance. That must be killing them lol. I will be going there in a week time. The irony is I never been a big fan of WDW like I am the other parks because I hated advance FP system. I didn't like planning what day and time I was going to ride SM 6 months in advance. I actually liked planning things out a lot more looser and all the other parks offered on the day passes and it was all first come first serve. So this will have much bigger affect there than here. On to read those threads now lol.
Sure I will miss FP but this is not a bad thing overall. I think $20 to get as many FPs as you want is reasonable. Now what I DON'T like is that they will upsell the top rides for MORE money. Yeah that rubs me the wrong way too. That's just out and out greed but it is Disney lol.
I have to be honest, I'm shocked it really took this long to happen considering all the other parks never made the front of the line option free and in fact went the opposite way and charged a HUGE amount for them. I can't imagine paying $90 for an 'express pass' at USH when A. It cost nearly as much as the admission ticket itself and B. We're talking what, for 6-7 rides? And yet they easily sell them, especially on busy days. Disney clearly saw all the money they were losing when people were spending $100 per person for these front of the line passes. So I'm personally fine with it. Will I ever buy it myself, doubtful, but it's at least reasonable to consider it.
I'm more curious what people think about it at WDW since unlike us, FP+ offered advance FPs for months in advance. That must be killing them lol. I will be going there in a week time. The irony is I never been a big fan of WDW like I am the other parks because I hated advance FP system. I didn't like planning what day and time I was going to ride SM 6 months in advance. I actually liked planning things out a lot more looser and all the other parks offered on the day passes and it was all first come first serve. So this will have much bigger affect there than here. On to read those threads now lol.
Model3 McQueen
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Wait so you pay 20 for genie plus.. per ticket per day, and you still have to pay extra on top of that for fastpassing select high demand attractions?
D'amaro and chapek can get bent.
D'amaro and chapek can get bent.
Don’t forget the money you have to spend just to get into the parks.
The Mouse at the DLR demands more money and folks will happily hand it over.
BasiltheBatLord
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So at first glance this doesn't seem as bad as I was expecting. The fact that standby lines will be untouched is a very good thing.
I'm not an expert on operations, but I think it's possible this system could actually significantly reduce standby wait times across the parks.
But yeah, welcome to the 21st century where staying glued to your phone 24/7 is a requirement to get anything done (terrible mental health epidemic on a massive scale) and spontaneity as part of experience is dead and buried.
I'm not an expert on operations, but I think it's possible this system could actually significantly reduce standby wait times across the parks.
But yeah, welcome to the 21st century where staying glued to your phone 24/7 is a requirement to get anything done (terrible mental health epidemic on a massive scale) and spontaneity as part of experience is dead and buried.
No Name
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I read it as you can pay for up to two additional upcharges, but there’ll be more than two rides in each park that require them.
If a mere $20 lets you skip the lines for all but two rides, that would be insanely inexpensive and probably wouldn’t work. Islands of Adventure in Orlando sells express passes for $110 and those aren’t valid for the two most popular rides in the park either. I think everyone here is severely underestimating how big that upcharge list is going to be.
Ryan120420
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DrAlice
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I mean, I love Star Wars and all, but I wouldn't pay $150 for my family to ride it. $75 for the family to ride RSR??? Yeah, no. That's just ludicrous.
Again, I'll reserve final judgement on this plan until I see the details.
Really depends how many "Lightning Lane" passes are out there and what people do during their wait. There's only so much capacity that each ride can handle. FP made lines much longer as 80% of the guests came from the FP line, but if they keep the inventory of these smaller it could help somewhat should people choose to spend their time eating/shopping vs getting into another standby line while they wait.
I don't think it will generate as much revenue as Disney expects.
Ryan120420
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I mean, I love Star Wars and all, but I wouldn't pay $150 for my family to ride it. $75 for the family to ride RSR??? Yeah, no. That's just ludicrous.
Again, I'll reserve final judgement on this plan until I see the details.
For a family that is on that "once-in-a-lifetime" vacation or the family that is only at the parks every few years, an additional $150+ is probably nothing in the total cost of the vacation. I'd pay it if it guaranteed my family got on the most popular attraction during our once in-a-lifetime trip.
I see Disney having no problems selling the Rise of the Resistance passes, especially at Disney World.
mickEblu
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I feel pretty much the same. Glad standby lines are sticking around. I also think standby lines should move a bit faster since genie + isn’t included with APs tickets. Overall this makes a better experience for tourists and is a downgrade for APs. For my eventual first trip to WDW in Jan 2023 It’s an easy choice for me to lightning and genie+ the popular rides. At DL I’ll pretty much only be using it if I’m hosting family from out of the town or out of the country.
Like you, my biggest problem is the phone thing. A day at Disneyland is starting to require way too much time looking at your phone.
I caved and spontaneously went to DL at 3pm this past Sunday when my Bro in law and sis texted us raving about the wait times. Every single rides wait time in the park was between a walk on and 10 minutes…except Peter Pan. I can’t remember anything like it in my lifetime. Mayyyybe once or twice when I was a kid. Anyway it was so nice to not have to plan a damn thing and still ride everything you want. We did 14 rides in 8 hours. Including a 1.5 hour dinner at Cafe Orleans with no reservations.