Splash4eva
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Anyone still think Disney wanted to “fix” DAS for a better guest experience or simply find a way to upsell as many people as they can lol
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Disgruntled Walt
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GhostHost1000
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just another way it'll continually become more difficult for the middle class to enjoy disney world the way they once did and many will probably stop going if they haven't alreadyHaven't kept up with this thread in about 50 pages or so, so excuse me if this has been covered before (and also remove this post if outside links aren't allowed), but does this rumor have any value to it? I personally like the idea, and hope it ends up coming to fruition.
RUMOR: Walt Disney World to Debut Universal Express-Style Skip-the-Line Offering
A new rumor that Walt Disney World will roll out its own Universal Express-style skip-the-line system called Lightning Lane Premier Passblogmickey.com
Purduevian
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I talked about it a little bit for DLR here:Haven't kept up with this thread in about 50 pages or so, so excuse me if this has been covered before (and also remove this post if outside links aren't allowed), but does this rumor have any value to it? I personally like the idea, and hope it ends up coming to fruition.
RUMOR: Walt Disney World to Debut Universal Express-Style Skip-the-Line Offering
A new rumor that Walt Disney World will roll out its own Universal Express-style skip-the-line system called Lightning Lane Premier Pass
This is the first time I've heard that it might be coming to WDW as well.
I would assume for WDW there will be 10 options:
LL premier access (each park priced differently+ 1 park hopper option). Skip all LLMP rides once per day at any time
LL premier plus (each park priced differently+ 1 park hopper option). Skip all LLMP and LLSP rides once per day at any time
SoFloMagic
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Sounds good, but they should call it Fastpass and Fastpass+
lentesta
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I've done a few VIP tours. It's possible for a group of adults to see 15 or 16 attractions across a couple of parks in the 7 hours of a standard tour.
A standard tour can accommodate 10 people. Let's say the hourly rate averages $700 excluding gratuity, so the whole tour costs $4900.
That's $490 per person for LL access to 15 or 16 rides.
A Premier Pass that costs less than $490 per person seems like it would cannibalize VIP tours.
What am I missing here?
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
don't be silly... it'll probably be called:
Fast Magic Express Lightning Multi-Single Quick Queue Lane Pass+
ya know... so it doesn't get too confusing with the other ridiculous names
CaptainAmerica
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I can do 15 or 16 attractions in 7 hours across a couple of parks with two preschoolers and Multi-Pass. Friggin rookies.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
that's a good point... unless they think they can just make more money this way?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
This is spot on. I guess they’d save the cost of hiring a tour guide but most of their compensation is probably from tips.
If Disney was to consider a product like this they would likely need to price it very high anyway to keep it from over selling and becoming much less useful.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Yeah that's the math.
There would be more people upgrading from Multi-Pass to this than there would be downgrading from VIP tour to this.
GoofGoof
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The issue is pricing it high enough to not “over sell” unless they do dynamic pricing or set a hard cap and just let it sell out a lot. With Universal and DLR something like this may work because of the guest mix. Many more locals who visit frequently and won’t pay for the service every time. With WDW the mix is different so more demand. If you pay a huge premium and the Lightning Lanes end up with long waits at certain attractions that would be a bad result.
Brian Noble
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You also don't have to pay a Plaid to escort the super-duper-whatever-pass group around the park. Fully loaded, that's probably pushing $30/hr or more. Not a huge thing in the context of a 10-person group, but still.
IanDLBZF
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Both get out of state & international traffic FYI
Purduevian
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A VIP tour is still a valuable Luxury item and is more than just to pound rides. The VIP tour guide will literally guide you through the park (not as valuable to those on this forum, but many people go in basically blind), drive you park to park backstage, get your Starbucks, provide snacks, ect. Overall its kind of status symbol to have your private theme park butler.
From Disney's standpoint.
- VIP tours frequently sell out, so there is untapped potential for a premium experience.
- The math gets much worse if you don't have a group of 10, so smaller parties that wouldn't get VIP might bite on the premiere access.
- This is basically "free" for them. The physical infrastructure doesn't change, and I don't think the digital end would be super complex.
- Express
- Express unlimited
- Non-private VIP tour
- Private VIP tour
- LLMP
- LLMP and LLSP
- LL Premiere access (I'm coining LLPA right now)
- VIP tour
If it's a product that fills a gap and volume more than makes up the difference then it's worth cannibalizing some VIP tours. There are still benefits like an actual tour guide and transportation. And Disney can still shape VIP tours to differentiate the product more with new or exclusive offerings/benefits. Maybe it's allowing multiple rides on new attractions currently limited to one ride, pausing the clock for up to X minutes for certain things that are wasted times now like ride evacuation, meals, etc., or even, God forbid, increasing the tour length by one hour to lower the cost per hour to make the upsell a smaller jump. I don't think they'd do any of that, but they could if VIP sales fell off the cliff.
Gringrinngghost
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Ever look at Universal's pricing...
DisneyDreamer08
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I am wondering if it can only be added with your package, for all days. Like if you have 5 days of park tickets, you have to add it for all 5 days at the premium price. Sort of like the dining plan. All or nothing.
GoofGoof
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Sure they do, but the percent of local visitors is much higher than WDW.
Mr. Sullivan
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Skip the lines should always be in the $90-$120 range to me. There’s a reason Universal’s Express system doesn’t irritate people the way LLSP and LLMP does.
It’s more expensive but it has true promised value. You WILL get on that ride, it’s not an if. You will also get on it whenever you want to. If you buy Unlimited, as many times as you want to, But the price point also means less people are using it vs. almost everyone trying to use LLMP and SP.
Skip the line passes should not be something obtainable by everyone in the park. That defeats the whole purpose of skip the line. Every other theme park in the world has it priced accordingly and has a small pool of people using it and it works perfectly. There is no reason Disney shouldn’t and can’t do the same other than they won’t because of money.
I know its a controversial stance but yeah skipping the line ought to be expensive. Price out all but those really willing to pay for it.
Because guess what happens then? Small lines in the fastpass queue and quicker moving standby. If they’re bringing that to WDW, then good.
Unfortunately, it will probably be in tandem with LL as it is currently which will once more defeat the purpose and create the same cluster of issues. Just drop LL and implement that higher priced true skip the line.
It’s more expensive but it has true promised value. You WILL get on that ride, it’s not an if. You will also get on it whenever you want to. If you buy Unlimited, as many times as you want to, But the price point also means less people are using it vs. almost everyone trying to use LLMP and SP.
Skip the line passes should not be something obtainable by everyone in the park. That defeats the whole purpose of skip the line. Every other theme park in the world has it priced accordingly and has a small pool of people using it and it works perfectly. There is no reason Disney shouldn’t and can’t do the same other than they won’t because of money.
I know its a controversial stance but yeah skipping the line ought to be expensive. Price out all but those really willing to pay for it.
Because guess what happens then? Small lines in the fastpass queue and quicker moving standby. If they’re bringing that to WDW, then good.
Unfortunately, it will probably be in tandem with LL as it is currently which will once more defeat the purpose and create the same cluster of issues. Just drop LL and implement that higher priced true skip the line.