shoppingnut
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Not necessarily true, I found found places and they do exist.
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Disney Dining Experience Changes
- Thread starter Moustronaut
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Not necessarily true, I found found places and they do exist.
hrcollectibles
Active Member
You are still getting a discount however they are applying the tip.. Was there this much ruckus when we found out the dining plan included the tip?? Probably not...
hrcollectibles
Active Member
I don't mind the screaming kids.... I was just trying to make a point that Orlando is a very busy place and there are people that will probably find something that annoys them wherever they go
hrcollectibles
Active Member
If you like the serive you get and want to tip more you can easily do that i suppose by either leaving the extra cash or adding it to the total
Christi22222
Active Member
No one seems to be jumping on this....it appears to contradict all of the "official confirmation" that folks have received stating that the 18% only applies to DDE and cast member discounts. It is absolutely ridiculous that we can't get solid information regarding this policy. HELP!!
Monty
Brilliant...and Canadian
- In the Parks
- No
I think the discrepancy stems from the "new" policy starting in '08 and whatever the current policy is in '07.
ClemsonTigger
Naturally Grumpy
....so I shall live (and tip) in the present!
Maerj
Well-Known Member
Not to mention that this person stated it was for them and their daughter- Two people! Not the party of 6 or more as Disney has been saying in their replies to us. Hmmmm....
thats cool, we're getting the deluxe dining plan next year and i was just trying to figure out something fair to everyone involved. me and my wife love le cellier and we'll take my mother-in-law and her cousin there, but i just dont see giving someone $45 for an hour or hour and a half of work. thats just obscene to me. thanks for your help, i'll be using your system when we go next sept
sounds like someone screwed up, because the new policy isnt supposed to go into effect till jan anyways
Monty
Brilliant...and Canadian
- In the Parks
- No
Since the new policy wouldn't do that either, perhaps it's the current policy...
Hmmm... I would've left $4 or $4.50, but only because I feel I'm forced to tip. 10% is what I give for standard service, less if bad service. I'm with the people who hate tips and don't think I should be paying them for doing their job. Raise the price of food if necessary - don't ask me to pay someone extra for doing their job.
ClemsonTigger
Naturally Grumpy
Reading the meanderings of this thread, I'm reminded of a long standing belief.....
I think a lot of things would be different if as part of our standard education, everyone would be required to work in the service industry for a year, preferably food service. It has to be one of the hardest and most thankless positions that I know of.
Taxes may be unfair, but I'm not about to stop paying them. Car and medical insurance rackets I will continue to support because the alternative is disaster. Politicians are self serving crooks, but I continue to vote. Whether the US policy/practice on tipping is fair, extortion, or whatever, I will NEVER take it out on the server. This is not the way to social change, however it may try to be justified.
Puts soapbox away for the day....
I think a lot of things would be different if as part of our standard education, everyone would be required to work in the service industry for a year, preferably food service. It has to be one of the hardest and most thankless positions that I know of.
Taxes may be unfair, but I'm not about to stop paying them. Car and medical insurance rackets I will continue to support because the alternative is disaster. Politicians are self serving crooks, but I continue to vote. Whether the US policy/practice on tipping is fair, extortion, or whatever, I will NEVER take it out on the server. This is not the way to social change, however it may try to be justified.
Puts soapbox away for the day....
Reading the meanderings of this thread, I'm reminded of a long standing belief.....
I think a lot of things would be different if as part of our standard education, everyone would be required to work in the service industry for a year, preferably food service. It has to be one of the hardest and most thankless positions that I know of.
Taxes may be unfair, but I'm not about to stop paying them. Car and medical insurance rackets I will continue to support because the alternative is disaster. Politicians are self serving crooks, but I continue to vote. Whether the US policy/practice on tipping is fair, extortion, or whatever, I will NEVER take it out on the server. This is not the way to social change, however it may try to be justified.
Puts soapbox away for the day....
im not trying to be a part of any social change. but please, someone, try to make me believe why a server in a restaurant deserves more an hour than a nurse in a hospital, a soldier in the army, or most other jobs in our country. i've been to disney 4 times and ive had a couple good servers but most weren't trying very hard to earn a tip any more than my servers back home. oh, and i do work in the service industry, im a housekeeper in a hospital catering to both patients needs and staff needs.
DisneyMusician2
Well-Known Member
Is this lovely 18% percent going straight to our server? I always tip cash to ensure that.
If the tip is going into a general pool, that is really foul. I want my tip to go to my server.
When I was waiting tables, Credit Card tips and the like were pooled among staff and it was grossly unfair.
That being said, this whole policy is ridiculous. I agree with just raising the price of the food if that's what you need to do. Don't post a menu price and then tack on a percentage.
If the tip is going into a general pool, that is really foul. I want my tip to go to my server.
When I was waiting tables, Credit Card tips and the like were pooled among staff and it was grossly unfair.
That being said, this whole policy is ridiculous. I agree with just raising the price of the food if that's what you need to do. Don't post a menu price and then tack on a percentage.
Magicfinder
New Member
1) I wrote an e-mail a few months back regarding the 2008 DDP changes and got a very nice phone call from WDW.
2) I now see that the phone call was just a patronizing move by WDW (as the very nice Disney Rep listened so sweetly and understood everything I said) but the only thing that has changed was further negative actions on their part.
3) I won't be doing any further e-mail complaints, etc. because it had no impact
4) My only recourse (and what I will be doing) in the future is that I WILL:
....A) No longer look at WDW as an annual vacation destination
....B) Not purchase the DDP if/when I do vacation there
....C) Not be eating at ANY table service restaurants
2) I now see that the phone call was just a patronizing move by WDW (as the very nice Disney Rep listened so sweetly and understood everything I said) but the only thing that has changed was further negative actions on their part.
3) I won't be doing any further e-mail complaints, etc. because it had no impact
4) My only recourse (and what I will be doing) in the future is that I WILL:
....A) No longer look at WDW as an annual vacation destination
....B) Not purchase the DDP if/when I do vacation there
....C) Not be eating at ANY table service restaurants
DisneyMusician2
Well-Known Member
1. Effective January 1, 2008 Gratuities will be paid on food and beverage totals only. Gratuities will not be paid on miscellaneous pricing, including but not limited to merchandise, entertainment, (excluding Spirit of Aloha, Hoop-Dee-Doo, and Character Dining restaurants, where entertainment is included in the price), house charges, imaging, etc. Merchandise will only be included in the total food and beverage price for the purpose of gratuity calculation if the Server is required by the Company to handle and deliver merchandise items to the guest as part of the Guest’s dining experience. Gratuities will not be paid on autograph books, pens and disposable cameras.
2. The eighteen percent (18%) automatic gratuity for all new and existing package plans, to include the Disney Dining Plan, will be eliminated effective January 1, 2008.
3. Should the Company decide to reinstate package plans with automatic gratuity included, the parties agree the terms of the addendum expiring on April, 28, 2007 will remain in effect.
4. An automatic gratuity of eighteen percent (18%) will be added for supplemental food and beverage purchased at prepaid venues (i.e., Spirit of Aloha, Hoop-Dee-Doo, Cinderella’s Royal Table, Princess Tea, Special Pre-paid events such as New Year’s Eve at California Grill).
5. A guaranteed three percent (3%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2008 to December 31, 2008
6. A guaranteed three percent (3%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2009 to December 31, 2009.
7. A guaranteed two percent (2%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2010 through the end of the 2007 Collective Bargaining Agreement.
8. The Company agrees to negotiate with the Union, the application of the automatic gratuity for any future pre-paid venues, for the life of this agreement.
9. Where there are menu boards available, the verbiage “Gratuity Not Included’ will be added to the menu boards, by September 30, 2007, at outside bar locations in Disney’s MGM Studios, Disney’s Animal Kingdom, Disney’s Wide World of Sports, the Margarita Bar at Downtown Disney, and pool bars.
10. A three dollar ($3.00) fee will be paid for delivery of Private Dining amenities.
11. An automatic eighteen percent (18%) will be added for food and beverage purchased from the Golf Carts, Pizza Delivery and Private Dining.
12. It is the Company's understanding that when a business requires their guests to pay a Pre-determined charge, which is given to employees of the business, the charges are considered a service charge. Furthermore, service charges are not considered a tip, but rather, are wages paid by the employer. Consequently, the tax code requires the Company to withhold taxes on all service charges.
13. The Company's position with regard to tips has not changed. It is the responsibility of all service persons to report one-hundred percent (100%) of their tips and gratuities for income tax purposes. The Company will continue to report eight percent (8%) of the location's gross sales to the government and will withhold tax on the tips and gratuities declared by the employee to the Company. The Company reserves the right to amend and/or alter this position to conform to state and federal laws.
14. Under Wage and Hour laws, the Company is required to report tips and service charges in overtime situations.
15. An eighteen percent (18%) service charge will be added for Company sponsored Cast discounts, e.g. Cast Serving Cast, Cast discounted meals, and Cast Celebration discounted meals. The service charge will be based on the total Food and Beverage charges before any discounts have been applied. This provision does not apply to Disney Dining Experience and Disney Vacation Club. Effective January 1, 2008, the eighteen percent (18%) service charge for all existing and new package plans, including Disney Dining Plan, supplemental Food and/or Beverage purchased and consumed by the guest covered by the package plan will be discontinued. Effective January 1, 2008, an automatic gratuity of eighteen percent (18%) will be added for all guests on the Disney Dining Experience discount program, based on the retail value of the Food and Beverage.
The contract does not seem to mandate 18% on all meals, but perhaps this is a blanket above the contract instituted by the company?
2. The eighteen percent (18%) automatic gratuity for all new and existing package plans, to include the Disney Dining Plan, will be eliminated effective January 1, 2008.
3. Should the Company decide to reinstate package plans with automatic gratuity included, the parties agree the terms of the addendum expiring on April, 28, 2007 will remain in effect.
4. An automatic gratuity of eighteen percent (18%) will be added for supplemental food and beverage purchased at prepaid venues (i.e., Spirit of Aloha, Hoop-Dee-Doo, Cinderella’s Royal Table, Princess Tea, Special Pre-paid events such as New Year’s Eve at California Grill).
5. A guaranteed three percent (3%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2008 to December 31, 2008
6. A guaranteed three percent (3%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2009 to December 31, 2009.
7. A guaranteed two percent (2%) service charge will be added on the retail value of the meal for all Disney Dining Plan guests for parties of less than six (6), effective January 1, 2010 through the end of the 2007 Collective Bargaining Agreement.
8. The Company agrees to negotiate with the Union, the application of the automatic gratuity for any future pre-paid venues, for the life of this agreement.
9. Where there are menu boards available, the verbiage “Gratuity Not Included’ will be added to the menu boards, by September 30, 2007, at outside bar locations in Disney’s MGM Studios, Disney’s Animal Kingdom, Disney’s Wide World of Sports, the Margarita Bar at Downtown Disney, and pool bars.
10. A three dollar ($3.00) fee will be paid for delivery of Private Dining amenities.
11. An automatic eighteen percent (18%) will be added for food and beverage purchased from the Golf Carts, Pizza Delivery and Private Dining.
12. It is the Company's understanding that when a business requires their guests to pay a Pre-determined charge, which is given to employees of the business, the charges are considered a service charge. Furthermore, service charges are not considered a tip, but rather, are wages paid by the employer. Consequently, the tax code requires the Company to withhold taxes on all service charges.
13. The Company's position with regard to tips has not changed. It is the responsibility of all service persons to report one-hundred percent (100%) of their tips and gratuities for income tax purposes. The Company will continue to report eight percent (8%) of the location's gross sales to the government and will withhold tax on the tips and gratuities declared by the employee to the Company. The Company reserves the right to amend and/or alter this position to conform to state and federal laws.
14. Under Wage and Hour laws, the Company is required to report tips and service charges in overtime situations.
15. An eighteen percent (18%) service charge will be added for Company sponsored Cast discounts, e.g. Cast Serving Cast, Cast discounted meals, and Cast Celebration discounted meals. The service charge will be based on the total Food and Beverage charges before any discounts have been applied. This provision does not apply to Disney Dining Experience and Disney Vacation Club. Effective January 1, 2008, the eighteen percent (18%) service charge for all existing and new package plans, including Disney Dining Plan, supplemental Food and/or Beverage purchased and consumed by the guest covered by the package plan will be discontinued. Effective January 1, 2008, an automatic gratuity of eighteen percent (18%) will be added for all guests on the Disney Dining Experience discount program, based on the retail value of the Food and Beverage.
The contract does not seem to mandate 18% on all meals, but perhaps this is a blanket above the contract instituted by the company?
NOLADisneyFan
Member
So it is the UNION behind all of this.
Now it is on...
Let me just tell you all...if you see a fat guy who looks like the person in my avatar complaining to a manager in a table service restaurant in November, 2008, it is me.
I will NOT pay the 18% service charge/gratuity or whatever else they want to call it for substandard service.
I knew the union had its filthy hands in this. Its obvious that they want their members (and therefore union revenue) to increase higher than 18%. Not satisfied with the 18% that the mouse gave them (and the inability to sneak past the IRS by not reporting cash), the mouse decided to put it on the customer, and let the customer decide what is appropriate for gratuity.
Then this new rule comes up with a required 18% added? Seems like the union is hoping and praying that customers will either A) tip in cash so their members don't report it or B) that the customers will not realize its there and tip double.
Therefore, in light of the fact that a union is trying to pull more money from my pocket for less service, I will have the 18% tip either a) removed or b) substantially reduced from every table service meal that I plant my fat butt at.
Usually, I am a very heavy tipper..anywhere from 20% to 40% (yes 40%, I am very partial to servers, as there job is not always easy)...but sorry disney servers...your union has spoken for you and has shot you in the foot.
Big Labor screws it up again.
EDIT
Ok, now i feel stupid...I read a few posts back that this is not for the DDP...if this is so...then mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
I still think its baloney that the tip is not inlcuded in the DDP...but now I will not feel upset about tipping my usual at TS restaurants, as my family and I use the DDP. Its all about forcing my hand...I will GIVE...but do not TAKE. Best of luck disney servers...I still think your union has hurt you...and will bet money that you will see a DECLINE in tips...bring that up to the next union meeting and be sure to tell the leadership "thanks a lot...for nothing."
Now it is on...
Let me just tell you all...if you see a fat guy who looks like the person in my avatar complaining to a manager in a table service restaurant in November, 2008, it is me.
I will NOT pay the 18% service charge/gratuity or whatever else they want to call it for substandard service.
I knew the union had its filthy hands in this. Its obvious that they want their members (and therefore union revenue) to increase higher than 18%. Not satisfied with the 18% that the mouse gave them (and the inability to sneak past the IRS by not reporting cash), the mouse decided to put it on the customer, and let the customer decide what is appropriate for gratuity.
Then this new rule comes up with a required 18% added? Seems like the union is hoping and praying that customers will either A) tip in cash so their members don't report it or B) that the customers will not realize its there and tip double.
Therefore, in light of the fact that a union is trying to pull more money from my pocket for less service, I will have the 18% tip either a) removed or b) substantially reduced from every table service meal that I plant my fat butt at.
Usually, I am a very heavy tipper..anywhere from 20% to 40% (yes 40%, I am very partial to servers, as there job is not always easy)...but sorry disney servers...your union has spoken for you and has shot you in the foot.
Big Labor screws it up again.
EDIT
Ok, now i feel stupid...I read a few posts back that this is not for the DDP...if this is so...then mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
I still think its baloney that the tip is not inlcuded in the DDP...but now I will not feel upset about tipping my usual at TS restaurants, as my family and I use the DDP. Its all about forcing my hand...I will GIVE...but do not TAKE. Best of luck disney servers...I still think your union has hurt you...and will bet money that you will see a DECLINE in tips...bring that up to the next union meeting and be sure to tell the leadership "thanks a lot...for nothing."
DVC Mike
Well-Known Member
While I'm sad you feel this way, on the bright side, this will mean the parks and restaurants will be less crowded when I go. :ROFLOL: