Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[JEANYLASER]

I got confused!

 

[Next Big Thing]

From the "Save Maelstrom" Facebook page operator, who attended a D23 Faniversary event

I don't think you guys get it. FANS may not like this move, but we as fans make up such a small % of the population that it means nothing if they "boo".

The ride will be immaculately popular with the masses and that's honestly all "the mouse" cares about.

 

[xdan0920]

I don't think you guys get it. FANS may not like this move, but we as fans make up such a small % of the population that it means nothing if they "boo".

The ride will be immaculately popular with the masses and that's honestly all "the mouse" cares about.

Let's keep the religious propaganda at home please.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Let's keep the religious propaganda at home please.

religious propaganda? lol Considering you are talking to an atheist, I don't think you need to worry about that.

 

[spiritofNorway]

I see. Well then, what's this? (from the 1800s)

Dejlig er Jorden(Fairest Lord Jesus) is written in Denmark, in Norwegian named Deilig er Jorden. Its a full out christmas-song. The Danes had nothing to do with Eatnemen Vuelie or any of the Frozen.

The Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim wrote Eatnemen Vuelie (named Vuelie in Frozen) in 1996, then for the recording of a christmas-cd that the Norwegian choir Cantus made. So he mixed Saami joiking and Norwegian choir music with one of the most used christmas songs in Norway, Deilig er Jorden. When Disney wanted it, they didnt want the christmas part of it, regardless of it being Danish or Norwegian, so the Deilig er Jorden was taken out, leaving it a 100% Norwegian song...


as they describe it:
Eatnemen Vuelie (Song of the Earth), is based on Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim's piece which combines Saami yoiking with the Norwegian hymn, Deilig er Jorden (Wonderful is the Earth). The interchange of the lyrics in the climax envisions the cooperation between two cultures coexisting in one land as they share the common goal of earth's sustainability with humility and reciprocity. This version is arranged and conducted by Yoomi Kim, and is sung by the Pearson College Choir - students from approximately a hundred countries singing in unity to promote peace and a sustainable future.

 

[Mike S]

Dejlig er Jorden(Fairest Lord Jesus) is written in Denmark, in Norwegian named Deilig er Jorden. Its a full out christmas-song. The Danes had nothing to do with Eatnemen Vuelie or any of the Frozen.

The Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim wrote Eatnemen Vuelie (named Vuelie in Frozen) in 1996, then for the recording of a christmas-cd that the Norwegian choir Cantus made. So he mixed Saami joiking and Norwegian choir music with one of the most used christmas songs in Norway, Deilig er Jorden. When Disney wanted it, they didnt want the christmas part of it, regardless of it being Danish or Norwegian, so the Deilig er Jorden was taken out, leaving it a 100% Norwegian song...


as they describe it:
Eatnemen Vuelie (Song of the Earth), is based on Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim's piece which combines Saami yoiking with the Norwegian hymn, Deilig er Jorden (Wonderful is the Earth). The interchange of the lyrics in the climax envisions the cooperation between two cultures coexisting in one land as they share the common goal of earth's sustainability with humility and reciprocity. This version is arranged and conducted by Yoomi Kim, and is sung by the Pearson College Choir - students from approximately a hundred countries singing in unity to promote peace and a sustainable future.

Disney did make a great choice with that. Very good song to open the movie with.

 

[TeriofTerror]

I don't think you guys get it. FANS may not like this move, but we as fans make up such a small % of the population that it means nothing if they "boo".

The ride will be immaculately popular with the masses and that's honestly all "the mouse" cares about.

Oh, I get it. I just don't like it. And I keep hoping (with increasing desperation) to a return to "quality will out". Hope springs eternal, etc.

 

[TeriofTerror]

This could be (okay, is) the wine talking, but do you ever wonder if the reason TWDC treats its hardcore fans with such indifference (disdain?) is because we're theme park fans? It's as though they view us as uncultured swine, the unwashed masses who consider a trip to a Ripley's Believe it or Not Museum as a dose of actual culture. I keep picturing Bob Iger as Terry Benedict in Ocean's Twelve with that super-smarmy, condescending tone: "I'd like to say a few words... about commitment. About honor. About responsibility. About a very special someone and admitting to her in front of everybody that her wedding... and that very special honeymoon trip to Epcot Center... will have to be postponed."

 

[BigTxEars]

This could be (okay, is) the wine talking, but do you ever wonder if the reason TWDC treats its hardcore fans with such indifference (disdain?) is because we're theme park fans? It's as though they view us as uncultured swine, the unwashed masses who consider a trip to a Ripley's Believe it or Not Museum as a dose of actual culture. I keep picturing Bob Iger as Terry Benedict in Ocean's Twelve with that super-smarmy, condescending tone: "I'd like to say a few words... about commitment. About honor. About responsibility. About a very special someone and admitting to her in front of everybody that her wedding... and that very special honeymoon trip to Epcot Center... will have to be postponed."

I think it's because as a business Disney is reacting to what their larger group (i.e. non hardcore fans) of guest are asking for, which at this point in time is Frozen in this case. It's about drawing more guest to the parks and thru the gates. I would guess Disney is thinking that any guest they might "lose" with this move will be more than offset by the guest they "get" with it. I agree with them, this is a strong draw for them at Epcot, one that will cost them less to build than a new attraction.

What would interesting to see is the number that the Norway M&G drew to Epcot vs what they were after the girls left for MK. I would guess they were looked at when the is move was being talked about.

Either way it's a for profit business so I am not surprised at all that they are doing what is the best balance between controlling cost and drawing guest.

 

[Mike S]

I think it's because as a business Disney is reacting to what their larger group (i.e. non hardcore fans) of guest are asking for, which at this point in time is Frozen in this case. It's about drawing more guest to the parks and thru the gates. I would guess Disney is thinking that any guest they might "lose" with this move will be more than offset by the guest they "get" with it. I agree with them, this is a strong draw for them at Epcot, one that will cost them less to build than a new attraction.

What would interesting to see is the number that the Norway M&G drew to Epcot vs what they were after the girls left for MK. I would guess they were looked at when the is move was being talked about.

Either way it's a for profit business so I am not surprised at all that they are doing what is the best balance between controlling cost and drawing guest.

Just pointing one thing out. Disney has always been a for profit business. Even when they strived for quality more than just the cheapest option.

 

[Phil12]

This could be (okay, is) the wine talking, but do you ever wonder if the reason TWDC treats its hardcore fans with such indifference (disdain?) is because we're theme park fans? It's as though they view us as uncultured swine, the unwashed masses who consider a trip to a Ripley's Believe it or Not Museum as a dose of actual culture. I keep picturing Bob Iger as Terry Benedict in Ocean's Twelve with that super-smarmy, condescending tone: "I'd like to say a few words... about commitment. About honor. About responsibility. About a very special someone and admitting to her in front of everybody that her wedding... and that very special honeymoon trip to Epcot Center... will have to be postponed."

The fact that you used a reference to Ocean's Twelve rather than a literary reference might be why some fans are not taken seriously.

 

[BigTxEars]

Just pointing one thing out. Disney has always been a for profit business. Even when they strived for quality more than just the cheapest option

And they have always watch their dollars, we just have the internet these days to debate operating budgets we really have no ideal about

But WDW could very well be on a different business model than ever before. Who knows what factors are driving that exactly. Greed? Could be or it could be that and other factors. I don't claim to know...

 

[Mike S]

And they have always watch their dollars, we just have the internet these days to debate operating budgets we really have no ideal about

But WDW could very well be on a different business model than ever before. Who knows what factors are driving that exactly. Greed? Could be or it could be that and other factors. I don't claim to know...

Yes there are probably many factors that have lead to where we are today. My guess is that some form of greed, overall cheapness and just an unwillingness to push the envelope like they used to (what I wouldn't do for another grand new ride today like Tower of Terror was in '94) is definitely part of it. Sadly this probably won't change in WDW until new management comes in that values the old Disney standard of quality. This is why I'm excited for my first trip to Disneyland, I hear the old standard of quality is still alive and well over there.

 

[BigTxEars]

All this talk of fans (i.e. fanatics) makes me think of sports fans, they are not known for the objective reasoning abilities when analyzing their team I remember when the Cowboys went 1-15 in the 1990s their fans were blaming bad refs

Of course their are levels of fandom, the blame the ref guys are the extreme.

 

[BigTxEars]

Yes there are probably many factors that have lead to where we are today. My guess is that some form of greed, overall cheapness and just an unwillingness to push the envelope like they used to (what I wouldn't do for another grand new ride today like Tower of Terror was in '94) is definitely part of it. Sadly this probably won't change in WDW until new management comes in that values the old Disney standard of quality. This is why I'm excited for my first trip to Disneyland, I hear the old standard of quality is still alive and well over there.

We need to get back to DL as a family. The Grand California looks just spectacular. Hope you have a great trip.

We are back at WDW in Jan, Kali is closed (no big deal for us) as is Splash Mountain( which sucks for us) but we are looking forward to low crowds and cool weather.

 

[TeriofTerror]

The fact that you used a reference to Ocean's Twelve rather than a literary reference might be why some fans are not taken seriously.

Unfortunately for me, few of the literary giants have made quotes about Epcot that I could reference.

 

[jt04]

Oh, I get it. I just don't like it. And I keep hoping (with increasing desperation) to a return to "quality will out". Hope springs eternal, etc.

See damouse blog and OBJ for Disney Springs photo updates. Remember what was said at one time about Pandora which was wrong. Very wrong. Same will prove true of Frozen in WS. And something great is obviously underway at the Studios. Plus DAK expansion. Lots of reasons for optimism.

 

[danlb_2000]

See damouse blog and OBJ for Disney Springs photo updates. Remember what was said at one time about Pandora which was wrong. Very wrong. Same will prove true of Frozen in WS. And something great is obviously underway at the Studios. Plus DAK expansion. Lots of reasons for optimism.

What was said about Pandora that has been proven wrong? The only thing that any credible source said about it was that the project was having troubles which is not in the hard to believe at all. We certainly have no proof that the project went smoothly.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This could be (okay, is) the wine talking, but do you ever wonder if the reason TWDC treats its hardcore fans with such indifference (disdain?) is because we're theme park fans? It's as though they view us as uncultured swine, the unwashed masses who consider a trip to a Ripley's Believe it or Not Museum as a dose of actual culture.

I've been saying this for some time now. What is worse is that it is a view shared and celebrated by many so-called theme park fans. Being "just" theme parks and unimportant, even compared to other methods of storytelling, is a very common position that is proudly proclaimed even outside of the Disney theme park. That idea of theme parks of being of no importance had been repeatedly stated in this very thread.

I think it's because as a business Disney is reacting to what their larger group (i.e. non hardcore fans) of guest are asking for, which at this point in time is Frozen in this case. It's about drawing more guest to the parks and thru the gates. I would guess Disney is thinking that any guest they might "lose" with this move will be more than offset by the guest they "get" with it. I agree with them, this is a strong draw for them at Epcot, one that will cost them less to build than a new attraction.

What would interesting to see is the number that the Norway M&G drew to Epcot vs what they were after the girls left for MK. I would guess they were looked at when the is move was being talked about.

Either way it's a for profit business so I am not surprised at all that they are doing what is the best balance between controlling cost and drawing guest.

Absolute nonsense. Impress the fans and you will more than likely impress the masses. The very film this is about had a name change and lousy marketing campaign because the film itself was not properly made to go for "what the masses want" and it in turn has pulled in over one billion dollars. The Avengers, another film to recently make a boat load of money, was helmed by a man who has repeatedly "failed" because he did not "appeal to the masses."

But WDW could very well be on a different business model than ever before. Who knows what factors are driving that exactly. Greed? Could be or it could be that and other factors. I don't claim to know...

The factors that drove the change in business model was the promotion of people who were familiar with malls and a per square footage analysis but completely unfamiliar with theme parks. Walt Disney World is no longer a single business venture, but a geographic region of competing businesses that just happen to share ownership.

 

[jt04]

What was said about Pandora that has been proven wrong? The only thing that any credible source said about it was that the project was having troubles which is not in the hard to believe at all. We certainly have no proof that the project went smoothly.

Nor that it hasn't gone smoothly.

We heard 1 attraction at one point and scaled down to the point that people would lament losing CMM. We even heard it was stuck in development and would not happen at all from some quarters. Not just WDWMagic forums.

We heard the new mine train was engineered poorly and might turn into a Test Track redux.

We heard Maelstrom was going to get a quick cheap overlay.

We heard DS had no tenants signed up and was a boondoggle.

We heard Flamingo Crossing was dead and the property was to be sold off.

We heard the nightime show at DAK would never happen as TDO was OK with DAK being a half-day park.

We heard DHS might get an expansion underway around 2018 or later.

There is so much disinformation here and elsewhere it seems deliberate. Good thing I am hear to provide some balance.