JEANYLASER
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Maelstrom is not my favorite ride and I don't like scary trolls and I love Frozen! Because Frozen the ride will be awesome!
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Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion
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elchippo
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It's a shame Frozen didn't come out about 5 years earlier.....it would have become part of the new Fantasylands plans, and one (or all) of these things might have then happened:
-it would have gone in NF as part of the refurb, possibly in place of LM or 7DMT. And based on what we know of those rides now, an original Frozen attraction done correctly and developed from ground up would have probably far surpassed either of them as well as what we will get by shoehorning it into the Maelstrom space.
-Personally, I wish it could have taken the place of 7DMT. Then SWSA could have just been upgraded with the new Dwarfs, etc. from that. This might have possibly spared Maelstrom & SWSA, and if it had, we'd have one ride more than we do now in NF, (LM, Frozen, and a new SWSA instead of PFT) and Maelstrom could stay.
Sigh.
-it would have gone in NF as part of the refurb, possibly in place of LM or 7DMT. And based on what we know of those rides now, an original Frozen attraction done correctly and developed from ground up would have probably far surpassed either of them as well as what we will get by shoehorning it into the Maelstrom space.
-Personally, I wish it could have taken the place of 7DMT. Then SWSA could have just been upgraded with the new Dwarfs, etc. from that. This might have possibly spared Maelstrom & SWSA, and if it had, we'd have one ride more than we do now in NF, (LM, Frozen, and a new SWSA instead of PFT) and Maelstrom could stay.
Sigh.
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FigmentJedi
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At least those movies kept the basic story structure.
The Big Hero 6 movie is set in a weeaboo version of San Francisco, not Japan. If anything, it could go to Streets of America.
JordanNite
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Toy Story was arguably a bigger success than Frozen. It crossed generations, appealed not only to youngsters but a cross generation of people. It also spawned 2 sequals, spin offs, etc
If this current crop of CEO's at Disney could do nothing with that other than a cheap shoot em up, then i highly doubt they will do anything substansial with Frozen.
We've been spoilt in the past few years by Universal with what they've done with Harry Potter.
If this current crop of CEO's at Disney could do nothing with that other than a cheap shoot em up, then i highly doubt they will do anything substansial with Frozen.
We've been spoilt in the past few years by Universal with what they've done with Harry Potter.
JordanNite
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If you don't like the Maelstrom ride, you're going to be quite dissapointed with the Frozen ride. It will be the exact same ride, just rethemed.
JordanNite
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The only reason they are putting it in Norway, is because an existing ride already exists there. To try and push Frozen into a Norwegien theme is pushing the boundaries, no matter how much spin they release with tales of research based in Norway, etc It's nonsense.
They realise they have a cheap attraction in Norway, it's a crappy boat ride, that no one really likes ... why not just use that rubbish ride, sprouse it up, add a few screens of Elsa and co, maybe a few animatronics of the characters, instead of the Vikings, and hey presto ... a new ride, without investing a whole load of money.
They realise they have a cheap attraction in Norway, it's a crappy boat ride, that no one really likes ... why not just use that rubbish ride, sprouse it up, add a few screens of Elsa and co, maybe a few animatronics of the characters, instead of the Vikings, and hey presto ... a new ride, without investing a whole load of money.
Spike-in-Berlin
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Do you know more than we do? Or did some addional information leak out in the last 24 hrs? Because so far it is not exactly impossible that they will expand the ride in length, they have space enough for that if they really plan to use the expansion area between Mexico and Norway which was once (Haha...) planned to be used for something we obviously will NEVER see in WS EVER, a NEW nation pavilion! At least not as long as the Crofton-gang is in power. With the unavoidable M+G area planned for Frozen they perhaps will use the opportunity and expand the ride as well.
JordanNite
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Just look at the time line mate. If you believe they are going to create some magical new world in 15 months then you are high on aftershave.
This is a corporation that has taken nearly 4 years planning Avatar, without putting a spade in the ground. A corporation that took nearly 6 years to complete FantasyLand which turned out to be nothing major!
Yet you seem to think in 15 months they will do something groundbreaking? Dream on son, dream on.
Spike-in-Berlin
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Reaction here on WDWmagic and the WDW Facebook page tell quite a little different story and would also do it on the Disney blog if it wouldn't be censored as many commentators already wrote here.
pixargal
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Perhaps the ride could blend some components of Maelstrom and Frozen. The ride could begin with the mystical and charming sequences most of us hold dear. At some point in the ride, after explaining the traditions and folklore of Norway, it could open up to showcase Frozen.
Spike-in-Berlin
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Construction of New Fantasyland took 3 years (2011 to 2014) and Avatarland was announced in 2011, construction began in 2014 and will take three years. And in 15 months you can build a lot, it's all a question of the logistics on the construction site which is far easier in WS than it was in New Fantasyland, where they needed the space of the future SDMTR for the logistics of TLM etc. Otherwise they could have finished the project in perhaps a little more than 2 years, as an architect I consider myself expert enough to assess the situation there. O and they built entire EPCOT in three years.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Spike, past history of Disney construction techniques and time lines tells us that this will not be a build.
This will be a re-theme only reusing the existing track. Therefore the exact same experience with a new theme.
AndyMagic
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Indeed. The key here isn't just the timeline, it's what Disney has done in the past within a similar timeline. 15 months is actually a perfectly reasonable amount of time to gut the entire attraction keeping only the show building, construct a new ride system, and have a half-decent D-ticket open with time to spare. Even back in 2004, when Universal wasn't known for their record-breaking construction schedules, they closed Kongfrontation in late 2002 and had Revenge of the Mummy open in early 2004. 15 "Disney" months is enough for a paint job, 5 HD TV-screens and an impressive Elsa animatronic that works for the first 5 months of opening. I'd be shocked if they even bother replacing the boats. Also, I'm calling it now, Olaf will be narrating the ride to give it that extra touch of Disney "class".
Bocabear
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That is a lovely thought, but the whole ride is about 2 minutes long, one minute of which is the lift hill... If they keep the existing beloved show scenes, Frozen will occupy the 12 seconds of backwards slide, and the next 20 seconds of oil rig and stormy ocean... I think they would have to add an extension to the building and expand the track to tell a more engaging story.
Mike S
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Frozen could've also taken the place of the circus and Dumbo would've just stayed where it was. In a perfect world we could've had SWSA, SDMT, TLM and Frozen. If Alice can have two rides in Disneyland, Snow White sure as heck could in Magic Kingdom. The rides would've been perfect compliments to each other. It's not like SDMT is a full retelling of the story anyway.
JordanNite
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Some people are actually put forward the notion that in 15 months Disney will completely regut the Norway pavillion and create a brand new A grade attraction there ... ROFLMAO
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Well, it could be an "A" Ticket attraction in 15 months. That is certainly very plausible. But certainly not anything remotely close to a "D" ticket much less an "E".
Figments Friend
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There was a lot of debate and upset fans during that transition as well.
There was happiness that the ol' Sea Cabs were going to be re-used for a new ride-through Attraction, but there was a lot of aggressive discussion about cartoon fish from Pixar 'invading' EPCOT.
GoofGoof
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Is it an OVERLAY? Is that confirmed? I'm not sure what other people's definition of an overlay is. At Christmas time they do an overlay at Jungle Cruise to turn it into Jingle Cruise. I think it generally takes a week or 2 to setup with little or no down time at the ride. DLR does a bunch of seasonal overlays too. That's what I think of when someone says overlay. In this case it would mean adding some frozen scenery but keeping the ride the same. They wouldn't close the ride for 18 months for just a basic overlay. At a minimum they have to be adding some AAs and redoing a large portion of the ride scenery. Even if the ride system doesn't change at all it should look pretty different.
As far as the question on ride system, I think it would actually be cheaper long term to switch from the low capacity and high maintenance boat ride to a high capacity, lower maintenance omni-mover. My question is how feasible would that be from a show building and structure standpoint? If you drain the water would it require major rework of the structure or could you just replace the boat track with a simple omnimover track (not the trackless system or something more complicated). It would require rework of the load/unload area and I'm not sure what they would do with the uphill/downhill section. I hate to bring you into this mess of a thread, but @Lee or @marni1971 any thought?