Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[spacemt354]

What is it about Frozen that causes these random/new members to come here with such an agenda? This is the second thread I've witnessed this in.

Instead of wasting my time trying to persuade other members who have no intention of being persuaded, I just ask this...

Is replacing a 2 minute boat ride that depicts the mythology and history of a real nation the best option in WDW for the one of the most popular fantasy tales they have had in decades, whose only connection to said nation is no more than vague inspiration from its landscape and architecture?

If the answer to that question is no, and I believe it is, then people have a right to be "bitter"

 

[Cesar R M]

Too be fair, he called him stupid, but he wasn't insulting him in the least. Calling someone stupid is now a compliment.

And I find it funny that these posts from these types of posters strangely, and suspiciously show up at these times during announcements that aren't popular, all with a similar aggressive, condescending, and dismissive tone that sound nearly identical. Just sayin...

that's probably the second pronged section of Disney PR Internet Guerilla team.
The first was to moderate and delete anything remotely negative in any social media controlled by Disney.
The second (the one we're seeing)Is... using supposed "fans" (aka n generated accounts in big disney fan sites that they cannot moderate or delete at Disney's leisure) to spam positive comments and attack any negative comments with nosense.

so.. cannot delete arrogantly all these "pesky" negative comments?
let's create our "own fans" to counter the negative comments in sites we cannot control!

 

[misterID]

I guess we will just have to come back here in a year and see who was right.

Since this isn't going to open for another 2 years I guess we can go ahead and say @wm49rs is right.

 

[wm49rs]

Since this isn't going to open for another 2 years I guess we can go ahead and say @wm49rs is right.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but I'm also not going to use a prediction of the future almost 18 months ahead to promote my arguments....

 

[FigmentsFangirl]

I think I will try to answer @GoofGoof 's question concerning ride design. I've tried in in Rollercoaster Tycoon; enchancing just a small area of any type of ride that has a track {be it water or steel rails or a train track}; Just remaking a small portion is extremely hard to attempt. Rebuilding the ride while keeping the entry/exit area where it is worked best with completely relaying track segments as needed with new scenery elements. Correct if I am wrong folks in the Imagineering Noggins

 

[BigTxEars]

No, let make this clear to you two. My family worked with WDW, and the TDO team. There are many members here, who I respect, members who don't show up out of the blue to start throwing out "facts" and telling others they don't know what they're talking about, who know about TDO. And I'm pointing out a post that just occured that our lurker friend here decided not to respond to, and if he missed it, I pointed it out. And since you two missed it, I said TDO (yes, they exist) doesn't call the shots on projects like this and are forced to do projects, like FLE. There you go. Yes, they exist. Yes, they make decisions about the park. And yes, they're usually bad.

And I find it funny that these posts from these types of posters strangely, and suspiciously show up at these times during announcements that aren't popular, all with a similar aggressive, condescending, and dismissive tone that sound nearly identical. Just sayin...

That occurs on both sides of these issues though wouldn't you say? I think that is more human nature than any planned occurrence. Well maybe better described as human internet nature than just human nature

 

[flynnibus]

Sooooooo

You are saying, everyone in Norway is part of a non traditional family unit?

Not seeing what you are referring to.. I was referring to the polite, helpful, and direct almost to a fault. They aren't ones for blowing smoke... they say it and move on. The part where the keeper steps up.. and then sinks right back to his old mood is so perfect.

 

[flynnibus]

Where has John Lasseter been over the past decade? I thought he actually cared about the quality of the theme parks and had some sort of pull since it was he who stopped TDO from demolishing Tom Sawyer Island.

If it's not DL and not pixar.. he doesn't seem to have the time for it. His track record on theme parks is pretty weak.

 

[Mike S]

Not seeing what you are referring to.. I was referring to the polite, helpful, and direct almost to a fault. They aren't ones for blowing smoke... they say it and move on. The part where the keeper steps up.. and then sinks right back to his old mood is so perfect.

Oaken really was perfect. So funny

 

[xdan0920]

Not seeing what you are referring to.. I was referring to the polite, helpful, and direct almost to a fault. They aren't ones for blowing smoke... they say it and move on. The part where the keeper steps up.. and then sinks right back to his old mood is so perfect.

Oaken is gay according to the Internet. That's the basis of my (very funny) joke.

 

[BoardwalkGlenn]

You can bet on it, bet on it, bet...

Sorry I'll let it go.

No really I'll stop.

 

[Captain Chaos]

What is it about Frozen that causes these random/new members to come here with such an agenda? This is the second thread I've witnessed this in.

Their paychecks: paid by the word or post to try t stem the tide of negativity this brainless decision has conjured.

 

[Matt_Black]

You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway.
-Walt Disney

My buddy and I are 36 year old men. We've had more discussions about how much we love Frozen than anything else this year. Part of the reason that it's made over a billion dollars world wide and counting is precisely because it appeals to a wide audience, kids and adults alike.

 

[LAKid53]

It's getting late and I'm getting cranky and fed up with this whole Frozen thing, so here's my proposal. Iger, turn everything you can into some Frozen ride, M&G, dining, shopping, whatever, until you get this out of your system and squeeze every last Frozen dime out of every parent's hand. That means Frozen lobbies in all the resorts. Have Elsa step on the water in the moat and freeze it at rope drop in the MK. Then have her run through stroller alley and turn the water in IASM into ice, do the same for Splash Mountain, which becomes the MK version of the Matterhorn ride at DL, and the river around Tom Sawyer's Island. Just make sure she doesn't freeze the water fountains or toilets or that will be the first and last time this happens. Do the same in the other parks. Tear down the BAH (sob) and make that spot the best M&G and sing-along you can. Take the space vacated by both AFI and American Idol for a big Frozen skating rink. Freeze Echo Lake as part of the opening ceremony for DHS. Freeze Kali River Rapids and the lake around Everest. Because it is becoming apparent that until you can get Frozen out of your system, anything needing any refurbishment is in danger of being Frozen. Those of us who have had it up to our eyeballs with Frozen will be more than happy to avoid WDW until you've gotten your Frozen out and everything has been turned back to the WDW we know and love. And in the meantime, you've found the perfect spot for an excellent Frozen attraction in either the MK or HS and have built it. I'm suggesting the spot formerly occupied by IASM (let's pack it up and send it back to DL); just make sure you've figured out how to handle the TSM sized demand this attraction will generate before you open it. Of course, that means that many of us on this site are going to have to find something else to complain about. Wait, isn't Avatar scheduled to open in 2017? Or the lack of Star Wars Land.

 

[BigTxEars]

My buddy and I are 36 year old men. We've had more discussions about how much we love Frozen than anything else this year. Part of the reason that it's made over a billion dollars world wide and counting is precisely because it appeals to a wide audience, kids and adults alike.

No doubt, it had a very wide appeal. It hit outside of the normal demographics it seems.

 

[Matt_Black]

What are some examples in the movie of Norwegian culture?

Aside from what's been mentioned...

The score, particularly Vuelie featuring Cantus and Heimr Arandalr (spelling?) are based heavily on existing Norwegian pieces (Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim is given a co-credit on the score).

Norway has the largest Catholic population of any Nordic country; in Frozen, while overt references are taken out, you can clearly see a bishop presiding over the coronation ceremony.

The sauna, touched on briefly in the Oaken scene, is also a fixture in Norwegian cultures, as it is in other Scandinavian countries.

And, I don't know where I saw it, but a Norwegian who saw the film drew parallels between it and Norway's historical dealings with foreign powers, most notably positing that Weselton and the Southern Isles are analogues of Sweden and Denmark.

 

[LAKid53]

Aside from what's been mentioned...

The score, particularly Vuelie featuring Cantus and Heimr Arandalr (spelling?) are based heavily on existing Norwegian pieces (Norwegian composer Frode Fjellheim is given a co-credit on the score).

Norway has the largest Catholic population of any Nordic country; in Frozen, while overt references are taken out, you can clearly see a bishop presiding over the coronation ceremony.

The sauna, touched on briefly in the Oaken scene, is also a fixture in Norwegian cultures, as it is in other Scandinavian countries.

And, I don't know where I saw it, but a Norwegian who saw the film drew parallels between it and Norway's historical dealings with foreign powers, most notably positing that Weselton and the Southern Isles are analogues of Sweden and Denmark.

Since we don't know the time frame, it could be post Reformation and there are bishops in several Protestant faiths - just ask the Archbishop of Canterbury - Anglican, not Catholic.

 

[Matt_Black]

Since we don't know the time frame, it could be post Reformation and there are bishops in several Protestant faiths - just ask the Archbishop of Canterbury - Anglican, not Catholic.

That's a fair point; still, even though Catholics make up only 5% of Norway's population, roughly, I associate the country with Catholicism pretty much on the strength of St. Olaf, the saint most likely to come back to life and throw a beating on me if I speak ill of him.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Is that the case? I was always under the impression it was NOT set in Norway but rather a fictional place that looked like/was inspired by the landscape of Norway. Sort of like how Aladdin is set in a place that looks like Morocco but does not actually take place in Morocco.

Nah, Arendal Norway and Arendelle are the same place now.

There was never a sense in Frozen that Arendelle was anything but the town. It might as well just be a fictitious Norwegian city rather then an actual kingdom inspired by Norway.

Corona, the setting of Tangled, is a mix of Polish, German and other influences, but it actually has some semblance of its own identity rather then just being "A real place with a funny name".

 

[Sped2424]

Would it be childish and immature of me if I said 'Little Mermaid had to wait 15+ years for a ride so Frozen should too?'

To be fair if Tony baxter had his way The little mermaid would have had a ride much early and far better than it does now.