Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

lazyboy97o

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mergatroid said:
Whilst I don't disagree with you, if something is incredibly popular it begs the question why? Perhaps they believe the reason for its popularity is it's 'great story line' and if they do then that would justify the question 'could it become an attraction'?

I'm not saying it 'deserves' its own attraction in my mind, however that would depend on what you define as its 'qualities' which is subjective.
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A great story in one medium is not necessarily a great story in all other mediums.
 
bhg469

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sofiathesecond said:
Both, actually. The writing and music are INCREDIBLY weak by Disney standards, the "moral" of the story is the most obnoxious faux-feminist nonsense I've ever seen (which is doubly annoying because they previously got feminism right with Princess Calla), Olaf is the most unfunny and annoying sidekick character EVER, etc. etc. It is hands down the WORST animated feature in the entire canon, and I don't say that lightly because I'm usually willing to forgive a lot when it comes to Disney. For this POS to be so ungodly popular is infuriating beyond belief.
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jaklgreen

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sofiathesecond said:
Sigh. I guess this means I can't visit the World Showcase when I go. At all. I hate, hate, HATE Frozen and I have no desire to be bombarded with it and the inevitable hordes of idiot fans. I know that's harsh, but in total seriousness, the VAST MAJORITY of people I encounter who cite Frozen as their favorite literally know NOTHING about Disney or its history. They're NOT Disney fans, they're fans of this one movie. There is a DIFFERENCE!!! Thank the Gods E&A aren't part of the "official" Princess lineup. Maybe I won't have to put up with them on Sofia The First. If they were going to make an appearance on that show, it probably would have been in Winter's Gift, given the plot of that episode so the fact that they didn't is encouraging.
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This is a very strong reaction to a movie. Its just a movie. So one section of world showcase will have frozen so you will avoid the whole thing altogether? Don't you think that is a bit extreme? I think people read to much into movies and try to get some kind of message or meaning out of them. I take them for what they are, entertainment. IMO Frozen is OK. I think Anna is funny and she makes the movie. I thought Avatar was a stupid movie but I will go and check out Avatarland in AK. That's a lot of energy you are expending on something stupid like a movie.
 
sofiathesecond

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jaklgreen said:
This is a very strong reaction to a movie. Its just a movie. So one section of world showcase will have frozen so you will avoid the whole thing altogether? Don't you think that is a bit extreme? I think people read to much into movies and try to get some kind of message or meaning out of them. I take them for what they are, entertainment. IMO Frozen is OK. I think Anna is funny and she makes the movie. I thought Avatar was a stupid movie but I will go and check out Avatarland in AK. That's a lot of energy you are expending on something stupid like a movie.
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I feel I should clarify where I'm coming from on this. I don't drive and I live in the middle of nowhere, so the internet is really the only socialization I get most of the time. If it was just that it was a bad movie, I could live with that. They've made bad movies before (Teacher's Pet for example). But the insanity of the fandom and how massive it is meant that for months after the film came out it was literally impossible to avoid or ignore it.

Making it worse is that when I tried to have an intelligent discussion about the film, they wouldn't hear it and everywhere I went I was basically branded the resident troll because - GASP! - I didn't like their precious movie. Even now, two years after the film was released. not once have I ever seen an intelligent, well-reasoned defense of it. Not once. All I see are logical fallacies and ad hominim attacks whenever anyone says they didn't like it, not just me. And these are the people Disney is trying to please. Do you get why that would be aggravating?

Regarding Avatar, writing and plot-wise, sure, it's not the greatest movie ever made, but the world of Pandora is so visually stunning that I can totally understand why Disney would want to translate that for the parks, even though they're mostly doing it to compete with Universal and Harry Potter. And the Avatar fandom isn't nearly as in-your-face about it, so there's that factor too.

And that brings up a very interesting point. Avatar got a very mixed reaction and no one really protested that. Why is it acceptable to not like one massively successful franchise but unacceptable to not like a different one? Because it's Disney? If that's their reasoning, then that is, frankly, stupid.
 
Hrudey3032

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sofiathesecond said:
I feel I should clarify where I'm coming from on this. I don't drive and I live in the middle of nowhere, so the internet is really the only socialization I get most of the time. If it was just that it was a bad movie, I could live with that. They've made bad movies before (Teacher's Pet for example). But the insanity of the fandom and how massive it is meant that for months after the film came out it was literally impossible to avoid or ignore it.

Making it worse is that when I tried to have an intelligent discussion about the film, they wouldn't hear it and everywhere I went I was basically branded the resident troll because - GASP! - I didn't like their precious movie. Even now, two years after the film was released. not once have I ever seen an intelligent, well-reasoned defense of it. Not once. All I see are logical fallacies and ad hominim attacks whenever anyone says they didn't like it, not just me. And these are the people Disney is trying to please. Do you get why that would be aggravating?

Regarding Avatar, writing and plot-wise, sure, it's not the greatest movie ever made, but the world of Pandora is so visually stunning that I can totally understand why Disney would want to translate that for the parks, even though they're mostly doing it to compete with Universal and Harry Potter. And the Avatar fandom isn't nearly as in-your-face about it, so there's that factor too.

And that brings up a very interesting point. Avatar got a very mixed reaction and no one really protested that. Why is it acceptable to not like one massively successful franchise but unacceptable to not like a different one? Because it's Disney? If that's their reasoning, then that is, frankly, stupid.
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I do not think anyone is disagreeing with you concerning your dislike of the movie as to each their own. I think what people are saying is why are you saying you will have no part of World Showcase when there is so much more there besides Frozen over Norway? I am not a fan of the movie a "A Bugs Life" but I always enjoyed the "It's Tough to be a Bug" show at AK. Why not at least wait and see if the ride is done really well? Just my 2 cents.
 
sofiathesecond

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To be fair, I actually did like the Frozen Fever short, but that begs the question: If they could do something good with the material, why didn't they the first time? I think it probably has to do with the fact that when they brought in Jennifer Lee to overhaul a film that was never hers to begin with (making her accolades something of a sham), they basically made the animators throw out all their previous work and start over from scratch, then gave them less than a year and a half to finish so the film we got was essentially the first draft. Any writer will tell you you NEVER publish your first draft but that's essentially what they did and I just can't help wondering what could have been if they'd only given the film one more year of development time. It would probably still be average at best, but at least they would have been able to fix the worst of the plot holes and write some better dialogue.
 
jaklgreen

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You know a lot about the movie for not liking it. I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I get trying to have an intelligent discussion about something. But I don't think you will ever change someone's mind about the movie by stating facts. Entertainment is emotional for people not analytical . At some point, for your own sanity you should just (oh here it comes), let it go.
 
Cesar R M

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Hrudey3032 said:
I do not think anyone is disagreeing with you concerning your dislike of the movie as to each their own. I think what people are saying is why are you saying you will have no part of World Showcase when there is so much more there besides Frozen over Norway? I am not a fan of the movie a "A Bugs Life" but I always enjoyed the "It's Tough to be a Bug" show at AK. Why not at least wait and see if the ride is done really well? Just my 2 cents.
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agree, she could use the distraction that Frozen gets to ride other attractions faster and better.
 
yepitsandy

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I assume if you are avoiding World Showcase to avoid Frozen, you would also avoid all of Fantasyland since Anna & Elsa are there? I don't get the logic. If you don't like a character, walk past the crowds and the land and go to the other pavilions that you do like instead of throwing a hissy fit and avoiding the entire Showcase. Those "idiotic Frozen fans" will be in Norway, and you can be surrounded by non-idiotic Frozen fans in all of the other lands. They will be happy at the Frozen attraction and you can be happy not at the Frozen attraction. Everybody wins. Are you expecting a mass of Frozen fans infesting Canada? I don't like Cars, but I don't avoid a three mile radius of Lights, Motors, Action because of it.

I had thought Frozen fever had cooled a little bit, but the amount of Elsas I saw on trick or treat night made me think otherwise.

To the defense of Frozen - I enjoyed it for what it was, a good little movie. It had funny moments, catchy songs, and an enjoyable story... to me. No movie is going to have all of that and it apply to everyone. But I enjoyed it, therefore I am a fan. It's not the best movie ever, but it is a modern day favorite for me. Even if my daughter didn't want to watch it 500 additional times, I likely would have given it additional viewings.
 
sofiathesecond

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Matt_Black said:
I loved Frozen. If I leave the theater thinking, "You know, that movie would be a great setting for a D&D game", then you win at film-making.
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Okay. Using intelligent, thought out, well reasoned arguments, please tell me why you think I'm wrong about it. As I've said, in two years I've not encountered a single person who can do that without resorting to fallacies and ad hominim. Not one. Do me a favor and be the first.
 
Matt_Black

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sofiathesecond said:
Okay. Using intelligent, thought out, well reasoned arguments, please tell me why you think I'm wrong about it. As I've said, in two years I've not encountered a single person who can do that without resorting to fallacies and ad hominim. Not one. Do me a favor and be the first.
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Where did I say you were wrong? You have your opinion, I have mine. Some people think the yodeling cattle rustler from Home on the Range is a great Disney villain. I don't get it, personally, but hey, some people juggle geese.
 
captainmoch

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sofiathesecond said:
Okay. Using intelligent, thought out, well reasoned arguments, please tell me why you think I'm wrong about it. As I've said, in two years I've not encountered a single person who can do that without resorting to fallacies and ad hominim. Not one. Do me a favor and be the first.
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Dude, calm down. They're darn Disney movies, and people can have different opinions.
 

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