Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[RayTheFirefly]

Mulan, on the other hand, is and shouldn't be.

I always get sad when I hear people say this. I totally get why, I mean she isn't officially royal. But she's one of the best characters, IMO. Willing to pose as a man and risk her life fighting for her father's life and her country. She's a great role model. I've always hated her presence in parks as she is always done up like a delicate bride and very quiet and polite. She's a brave warrior and should be portrayed as such. Anyway... I digress.

 

[Prince Thomas]

Both, actually. The writing and music are INCREDIBLY weak by Disney standards, the "moral" of the story is the most obnoxious faux-feminist nonsense I've ever seen (which is doubly annoying because they previously got feminism right with Princess Calla), Olaf is the most unfunny and annoying sidekick character EVER, etc. etc. It is hands down the WORST animated feature in the entire canon, and I don't say that lightly because I'm usually willing to forgive a lot when it comes to Disney. For this POS to be so ungodly popular is infuriating beyond belief.

oh my....SMH (goes back to sleep)

 

[sofiathesecond]

Yep, I guess the Oscar, Grammy and Annie awards don't carry that much weight with you. Oh well... but you make effective use of CAPITAL letters, so there's that...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToPopularity

Just because something is popular, no matter how massively, that doesn't automatically make it good. Example: Twilight

"It's popular, therefore, it sucks"

- Internet Logic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseCause

Likewise, assuming someone ONLY dislikes something because it's popular is an easy and, frankly, cheap way of avoiding discussion of legitimate flaws.

oh my....SMH (goes back to sleep)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArgumentumAdLapidem

If you think I'm wrong, please, explain your side of it. Why do you think I'm wrong about it being a bad movie? Why do you think it's a good one?

 

[Cesar R M]

Just curious for all the "haters" of Frozen, why the hate? Is it the actual movie itself that you hate or the fact that it is hugely popular and now its being shoved down our throats?

the second.

Its everywhere.

 

[Cesar R M]

Sigh. I guess this means I can't visit the World Showcase when I go. At all. I hate, hate, HATE Frozen and I have no desire to be bombarded with it and the inevitable hordes of idiot fans. I know that's harsh, but in total seriousness, the VAST MAJORITY of people I encounter who cite Frozen as their favorite literally know NOTHING about Disney or its history. They're NOT Disney fans, they're fans of this one movie. There is a DIFFERENCE!!! Thank the Gods E&A aren't part of the "official" Princess lineup. Maybe I won't have to put up with them on Sofia The First. If they were going to make an appearance on that show, it probably would have been in Winter's Gift, given the plot of that episode so the fact that they didn't is encouraging.

The only thing I can imagine is.. the ropedrop people running and almost hurting themselves. worse when they are extremely obese and end hurting others around them by shoving and even punching. (anyone seen those videos in youtube? wow!)

 

[Cesar R M]

Yep, I guess the Oscar, Grammy and Annie awards don't carry that much weight with you. Oh well... but you make effective use of CAPITAL letters, so there's that...

Walt had tons of oscars as well, because he hardly had competition if I remember correctly.
The Oscars guys never took animation seriously.
The multiple leaked emails are a fine example.
With many voting for Disney because thats the only name they recognize.

I always get sad when I hear people say this. I totally get why, I mean she isn't officially royal. But she's one of the best characters, IMO. Willing to pose as a man and risk her life fighting for her father's life and her country. She's a great role model. I've always hated her presence in parks as she is always done up like a delicate bride and very quiet and polite. She's a brave warrior and should be portrayed as such. Anyway... I digress.

Well, BRAVE (princess Merida) portrays this style as well.


and to end with a fallacy meme..

 

[Haymarket2008]

I strongly dislike Frozen, mainly because it was touted as the 'best Disney film since The Lion King'. Which is the biggest lie I have ever heard. Expectations were high and they were not met at all. Also the score is not as imaginative or thematically appropriate as the other classic scores from the Renaissance. That and countless plot holes and lack of character development. That being said, visually it was gorgeous. Which is what the saving grace of this ride will be. Basically what I'm saying is: Maelstrom > Frozen.

 

[marni1971]

Woah woah. Each to their own.

Just because the pop press like it doesn't mean everyone should or does.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

if you think you re over exposed with this wait until Star wars Ep 7 comes out let alone star wars land
talk about something that will be shoved down your throat

When SW7 was announced, I was mildly interested. At this point I'm considering waiting for it to hit cable. I can only take so much force feeding of an IP that I'm some what disinterested in.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Well the movie did make a bunch of money...somebody out there liked it. I mean is it the best Disney movie ever...no. Is it a good family moive...I think so in my opinion, which is nothing more then my opinion. I like the lessons it teaches and the songs are very fun. The storyline was different and not the same predictable storyline one sees in many princess films. There is no doubt the movie has been shoved down the throats of the people, and for that I blame Disney. They didn't have enough confidence in the movie to be prepared, and now they have to shoehorn everything and rush projects. We can all set here and say it was the worst movie ever and that is ok because you are expressing your opinion.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

When SW7 was announced, I was mildly interested. At this point I'm considering waiting for it to hit cable. I can only take so much force feeding of an IP that I'm some what disinterested in.

I see what you did there.

 

[RayTheFirefly]

Well, BRAVE (princess Merida) portrays this style as well.

This is true! She didn't risk actual death though, and her "battle" was with her mother, not a murderous invader plotting to take over (and possibly kill) an entire nation. But yeah, I see your point

 

[RSoxNo1]

Just curious for all the "haters" of Frozen, why the hate? Is it the actual movie itself that you hate or the fact that it is hugely popular and now its being shoved down our throats?

There's a fatigue factor, but the greater issue with it in Norway is that it's a poor fit both thematically and operationally. Frozen deserves its own ride, and possible its own mini land. Neither of those things should be in Epcot.

 

[Cesar R M]

This is true! She didn't risk actual death though, and her "battle" was with her mother, not a murderous invader plotting to take over (and possibly kill) an entire nation. But yeah, I see your point

excuse me.. the bear?
you forgot the bear?

 

[lazyboy97o]

There's a fatigue factor, but the greater issue with it in Norway is that it's a poor fit both thematically and operationally. Frozen deserves its own ride, and possible its own mini land. Neither of those things should be in Epcot.

Why does Frozen deserve anything? It is a film, not themed entertainment.

 

[mergatroid]

Why does Frozen deserve anything? It is a film, not themed entertainment.

Whilst I'm not a fan of doing this at Epcot, could you not say the same about Snow White, Winnie the Pooh, Stitch, Monster Inc, Muppets, Star Wars,The Twilight Zone, Beauty and the Beat, The Little Mermaid and Swiss Family Robinson etc which all have attractions?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Whilst I'm not a fan of doing this at Epcot, could you not say the same about Snow White, Winnie the Pooh, Stitch, Monster Inc, Muppets, Star Wars,The Twilight Zone, Beauty and the Beat, The Little Mermaid and Swiss Family Robinson etc which all have attractions?

Having an attraction is not synonymous with this ridiculous notion of one being deserved because a film has met some criteria outside of story and experience such as box office and merchandise sales. A good many of the attractions you list are mediocre at best, and those tend to be the ones that "deserved" an attraction.

 

[mergatroid]

Having an attraction is not synonymous with this ridiculous notion of one being deserved because a film has met some criteria outside of story and experience such as box office and merchandise sales. A good many of the attractions you list are mediocre at best, and those tend to be the ones that "deserved" an attraction.

Well it's 'subjective' I suppose. If Disney makes a movie that does really well (such as Frozen) then it's kind of understandable that they'd consider creating an attraction for it, it's kind of the basis for the park being built in the first place?

As for 'deserves', it depends on your definition of the word or appreciation of the movie. On a basic level though if a movie's popular then it means many people love it, this is something that is a consideration when deciding on rides whether we agree with them or not though?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well it's 'subjective' I suppose. If Disney makes a movie that does really well (such as Frozen) then it's kind of understandable that they'd consider creating an attraction for it, it's kind of the basis for the park being built in the first place?

As for 'deserves', it depends on your definition of the word or appreciation of the movie. On a basic level though if a movie's popular then it means many people love it, this is something that is a consideration when deciding on rides whether we agree with them or not though?

It is not subjective. The basis for movies isn't which television shows do well, nor are all new movies only using existing characters. Why were there Disney characters in Frozen? Or Pixar characters in Inside Out? Why isn't Mickey Mouse in Zootopia? Shouldn't Elsa be in Moana since she is so popular? The basis for an attraction should be the story. If people love the movie they can invest in any number of ways to watch it whenever they want, there is even a whole service called Disney Movies Anywhere. Sitting around asking "What is popular?" is not a creativity.

 

[mergatroid]

It is not subjective. The basis for movies isn't which television shows do well, nor are all new movies only using existing characters. Why were there Disney characters in Frozen? Or Pixar characters in Inside Out? Why isn't Mickey Mouse in Zootopia? Shouldn't Elsa be in Moana since she is so popular? The basis for an attraction should be the story. If people love the movie they can invest in any number of ways to watch it whenever they want, there is even a whole service called Disney Movies Anywhere. Sitting around asking "What is popular?" is not a creativity.

Whilst I don't disagree with you, if something is incredibly popular it begs the question why? Perhaps they believe the reason for its popularity is it's 'great story line' and if they do then that would justify the question 'could it become an attraction'?

I'm not saying it 'deserves' its own attraction in my mind, however that would depend on what you define as its 'qualities' which is subjective.