Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I'm thinking an easy 6 hours to ride a 4 min. ride and to get your pic with a co-ed during it's first year.

And people here will make excuses for the total cluster Disney is building.
The WiFi at Rachels must be down. Perhaps why we haven't seen much from the excuse dept. in the last hour or so.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
I'm thinking an easy 6 hours to ride a 4 min. ride and to get your pic with a co-ed during it's first year.

And people here will make excuses for the total cluster Disney is building.
I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking an easy 6 hours to ride a 4 min. ride and to get your pic with a co-ed during it's first year.

And people here will make excuses for the total cluster Disney is building.

Well, it was either this or wait 10 years which obviously isn't fair to 10 year old girls who love Frozen. Obviously, this is the lesser of the two possible evils. If Disney had one single better option, they would have taken it. But nope. It was just these two absolutely horrendous choices and Disney had to pick.

Or so I hear.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.

Disney could have used its wildly popular IP on an attraction that would have had the capacity to meet demand. They chose instead to use and existing attraction that can't possibly keep up with the demand creating bottlenecks and guest frustration.

Poor decision.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.
The poor decision lies in the operational aspect. Try and forget about popularity for just a moment and think about the cluster bomb of a nightmare Norway pavilion will become.

Poor planning should not be disregarded simply because the idea is popular or it will boost attendance
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.
I'm saying that putting something that they know will be wildly popular into a ride system that everyone already knows is low capacity, is idiotic. Team that nightmare up with the long lines at the meet and greet, and just to see the new Frozen stuff will require Herculean patience.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Disney could have used its wildly popular IP on an attraction that would have had the capacity to meet demand. They chose instead to use and existing attraction that can't possibly keep up with the demand creating bottlenecks and guest frustration.

Poor decision.

The poor decision lies in the operational aspect. Try and forget about popularity for just a moment and think about the cluster bomb of a nightmare Norway pavilion will become.

Poor planning should not be disregarded simply because the idea is popular or it will boost attendance
No matter where Frozen is placed, it's going to be a cluster bomb, can we agree on that? I hope so.

If we agree that it WILL be a cluster bomb regardless of location, I maintain that World Showcase is MUCH better equipped to handle said cluster bomb than Fantasyland, which is where everyone is arguing it belongs. Fantasyland already IS a disaster of humanity and people are advocating plans that would compound that problem.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
No matter where Frozen is placed, it's going to be a cluster bomb, can we agree on that? I hope so.

If we agree that it WILL be a cluster bomb regardless of location, I maintain that World Showcase is MUCH better equipped to handle said cluster bomb than Fantasyland, which is where everyone is arguing it belongs. Fantasyland already IS a disaster of humanity and people are advocating plans that would compound that problem.

Everyone is not arguing that Frozen should go to FL. I have seen several people argue that would be the best thematic fit which I think we can all agree on. But most people acknowledge that Hollywood Studios would be the best location based on theme and the needs of the park.

Also, you're ignoring the issue of capacity. We know Maelstrom was a low capacity attraction. Regardless of which park got Frozen, they could have built a high-capacity attraction or even two. They could have built an entire land which would have been crowded at first but would have been able to manage the demand over the long haul.

Surely you can agree there were more ideal uses for Frozen than what Disney has chosen to do.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
No matter where Frozen is placed, it's going to be a cluster bomb, can we agree on that? I hope so.

If we agree that it WILL be a cluster bomb regardless of location, I maintain that World Showcase is MUCH better equipped to handle said cluster bomb than Fantasyland, which is where everyone is arguing it belongs. Fantasyland already IS a disaster of humanity and people are advocating plans that would compound that problem.
No. Because if they were to build from the ground up, I am absolutely positive they would use a much higher capacity ride system. What they are doing now is going to create lines at guests services almost as long as the ride queue. Watching this development is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Everyone is not arguing that Frozen should go to FL. I have seen several people argue that would be the best thematic fit which I think we can all agree on. But most people acknowledge that Hollywood Studios would be the best location based on theme and the needs of the park.
I'm holding out hope for a DCA-caliber redo at DHS. If that's what we end up getting, I'd much rather see that than Frozen.

Also, you're ignoring the issue of capacity. We know Maelstrom was a low capacity attraction. Regardless of which park got Frozen, they could have built a high-capacity attraction or even two. They could have built an entire land which would have been crowded at first but would have been able to manage the demand over the long haul.
No. Because if they were to build from the ground up, I am absolutely positive they would use a much higher capacity ride system. What they are doing now is going to create lines at guests services almost as long as the ride queue. Watching this development is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
I might be wrong about this, but I think you're misinterpreting the Frozen fanbase. I think it's more small and passionate than broad and casual. Frozen doesn't need to be high-capacity because it has a limited audience and that audience is hardcore. The hardcore audience is exactly the one you want directed towards a low-capacity attraction because they're the ones willing to wait two hours for a ride. If "Frozen fans" are willing to wait three hours for a meet and greet, then let them wait three hours. The non-Frozen fans will happily skip it. Contrast that with something like Big Thunder Mountain. There aren't that many hardcore Big Thunder Mountain railroad fans, so it requires a capacity that keeps waits low enough to entice casual fans to ride. Frozen needs no such incentive because those little princesses are riding come hell or high water.

Surely you can agree there were more ideal uses for Frozen than what Disney has chosen to do.
Sure. But those "more ideal" choices would have come at the expense of even more more ideal choices. i.e. it would be a bigger loss for Frozen to get in the way of Star Wars at DHS than for it to replace Maelstrom at Epcot.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
No matter where Frozen is placed, it's going to be a cluster bomb, can we agree on that? I hope so.

If we agree that it WILL be a cluster bomb regardless of location, I maintain that World Showcase is MUCH better equipped to handle said cluster bomb than Fantasyland, which is where everyone is arguing it belongs. Fantasyland already IS a disaster of humanity and people are advocating plans that would compound that problem.
So your saying that because it WILL be a cluster, that it doesnt matter where they put it? Thats just plain lazy. And to then put it in one of the lowest capacity attractions is flat out moronic. I cut my finger earlier today, should I just cut it off instead of just using a band aid?
 

gmajew

Premium Member
No. Because if they were to build from the ground up, I am absolutely positive they would use a much higher capacity ride system. What they are doing now is going to create lines at guests services almost as long as the ride queue. Watching this development is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.


Not everyone complains when they don't get what they want. God could you imagine a world of all the losers lined up complaining because they can not get on a ride because they got to the park at 3Pm and the line is to long.... Poor babies.... cry me a river people really have started to think to much of themselves....

Same crap parents that get upset that you don't give out a game ball if your team loses... Fact of life losing sucks and not everyone is a winner... So if you lose or miss out on something look at your self clean up your damn undies and pull on your big boy gear and act like adults....
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I might be wrong about this, but I think you're misinterpreting the Frozen fanbase. I think it's more small and passionate than broad and casual. Frozen doesn't need to be high-capacity because it has a limited audience and that audience is hardcore. The hardcore audience is exactly the one you want directed towards a low-capacity attraction because they're the ones willing to wait two hours for a ride. If "Frozen fans" are willing to wait three hours for a meet and greet, then let them wait three hours. The non-Frozen fans will happily skip it. Contrast that with something like Big Thunder Mountain. There aren't that many hardcore Big Thunder Mountain railroad fans, so it requires a capacity that keeps waits low enough to entice casual fans to ride. Frozen needs no such incentive because those little princesses are riding come hell or high water.
Not sure I totally agree, but that is a very interesting perspective. Nice!
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I'm holding out hope for a DCA-caliber redo at DHS. If that's what we end up getting, I'd much rather see that than Frozen.

Pretty sure they could do both.

I might be wrong about this, but I think you're misinterpreting the Frozen fanbase. I think it's more small and passionate than broad and casual. Frozen doesn't need to be high-capacity because it has a limited audience and that audience is hardcore. The hardcore audience is exactly the one you want directed towards a low-capacity attraction because they're the ones willing to wait two hours for a ride. If "Frozen fans" are willing to wait three hours for a meet and greet, then let them wait three hours. The non-Frozen fans will happily skip it. Contrast that with something like Big Thunder Mountain. There aren't that many hardcore Big Thunder Mountain railroad fans, so it requires a capacity that keeps waits low enough to entice casual fans to ride. Frozen needs no such incentive because those little princesses are riding come hell or high water.

One of us does not understand the Frozen fanbase. Pretty sure it's not me, the father of two little girls who has been to a number of birthday parties where every single kid spontaneously broke into a chorus of Let It Go. The Frozen fanbase is both broad and hardcore. A movie with a small fanbase wouldn't have grossed over a billion dollars worldwide.

Sure. But those "more ideal" choices would have come at the expense of even more more ideal choices. i.e. it would be a bigger loss for Frozen to get in the way of Star Wars at DHS than for it to replace Maelstrom at Epcot.

Ah. Shoehorn Frozen somewhere it doesn't belong because you don't like it. Got it.

I'd rather Disney treated both Frozen and Star Wars properly and not created any operational nightmares. But I'm funny like that.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
My family will want to ride this ride once and then we will not worry about it every trip as my wife would be the only one that would really want to ride it each time.... So this may actually make some sense...

I'm holding out hope for a DCA-caliber redo at DHS. If that's what we end up getting, I'd much rather see that than Frozen.



I might be wrong about this, but I think you're misinterpreting the Frozen fanbase. I think it's more small and passionate than broad and casual. Frozen doesn't need to be high-capacity because it has a limited audience and that audience is hardcore. The hardcore audience is exactly the one you want directed towards a low-capacity attraction because they're the ones willing to wait two hours for a ride. If "Frozen fans" are willing to wait three hours for a meet and greet, then let them wait three hours. The non-Frozen fans will happily skip it. Contrast that with something like Big Thunder Mountain. There aren't that many hardcore Big Thunder Mountain railroad fans, so it requires a capacity that keeps waits low enough to entice casual fans to ride. Frozen needs no such incentive because those little princesses are riding come hell or high water.


Sure. But those "more ideal" choices would have come at the expense of even more more ideal choices. i.e. it would be a bigger loss for Frozen to get in the way of Star Wars at DHS than for it to replace Maelstrom at Epcot.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Not everyone complains when they don't get what they want. God could you imagine a world of all the losers lined up complaining because they can not get on a ride because they got to the park at 3Pm and the line is to long.... Poor babies.... cry me a river people really have started to think to much of themselves....

Same crap parents that get upset that you don't give out a game ball if your team loses... Fact of life losing sucks and not everyone is a winner... So if you lose or miss out on something look at your self clean up your damn undies and pull on your big boy gear and act like adults....

Rant much?

Here's an idea, instead of setting up a situation in which "losers" and upset guests are unavoidable, Disney could build something that will be capable of satisfying all their guests. Even those ungrateful heathens who show up after rope drop!
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
Not everyone complains when they don't get what they want. God could you imagine a world of all the losers lined up complaining because they can not get on a ride because they got to the park at 3Pm and the line is to long.... Poor babies.... cry me a river people really have started to think to much of themselves....

Same crap parents that get upset that you don't give out a game ball if your team loses... Fact of life losing sucks and not everyone is a winner... So if you lose or miss out on something look at your self clean up your damn undies and pull on your big boy gear and act like adults....
And yet, we KNOW Disney is building a problem. But it's the guests fault.

Gotcha!
 

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