Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[CaptainAmerica]

One of us does not understand the Frozen fanbase. Pretty sure it's not me, the father of two little girls who has been to a number of birthday parties where every single kid spontaneously broke into a chorus of Let It Go. The Frozen fanbase is both broad and hardcore. A movie with a small fanbase wouldn't have grossed over a billion dollars worldwide.

Every little girl is still a relatively narrow fanbase because it's only little girls (yes, that's a sweeping generalization but it's broadly correct). Little boys aren't lining up for Frozen and neither are honeymoon couples, the elderly, spring breakers, or high school band trips.

 

[wdisney9000]

That's a poor analogy. A better one would be... if you're going to cut off one of your fingers, it's better to cut off your ring finger than your thumb.

I was simply pointing out the stupidity in their decision.

 

[gmajew]

Rant much?

Here's an idea, instead of setting up a situation in which "losers" and upset guests are unavoidable, Disney could build something that will be capable of satisfying all their guests. Even those ungrateful heathens who show up after rope drop!

Read my other post I agree this was not the right place for this ride and they should have increased the through put to max it... but the crappy little ride this is replacing had ungodly waits and it was not even good ride!

This is the worse place for frozen to be I agree but I also don't think people need to act like children if they can not get on something.... I don't throw a hissy fit if I show up at my favorite watering hole and I can not find a seat at 7 on a friday... Same behavior...

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.

Well, it depends on what is "wildly popular" is.
Imagine that you create insane hype.. then you cut the offers by 90%.. then when you see insane demand.. with everyone fighthing to get something( because things barely get produced).. and then claim "UNPRECEDENT DEMAND!".

No matter where Frozen is placed, it's going to be a cluster bomb, can we agree on that? I hope so.

If we agree that it WILL be a cluster bomb regardless of location, I maintain that World Showcase is MUCH better equipped to handle said cluster bomb than Fantasyland, which is where everyone is arguing it belongs. Fantasyland already IS a disaster of humanity and people are advocating plans that would compound that problem.

they seem to be doing fine at DHS.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Read my other post I agree this was not the right place for this ride and they should have increased the through put to max it... but the crappy little ride this is replacing had ungodly waits and it was not even good ride!

This is the worse place for frozen to be I agree but I also don't think people need to act like children if they can not get on something.... I don't throw a hissy fit if I show up at my favorite watering hole and I can not find a seat at 7 on a friday... Same behavior...

No, no it's not. Not even close.

Did you save for a year and fly half way across the country to get to your watering hole.

 

[gmajew]

And yet, we KNOW Disney is building a problem. But it's the guests fault.

Gotcha!

LOL disney is building a limited ride experience that maybe 10K get to ride a day. That is a problem but it does not give people a right to go cuss out customer service reps.

And I am willing to bet the 10K that ride that ride will out number those that complain... just a hunch.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm trying to understand your logic, I really am. But you're essentially saying that Disney is making a poor decision by building something that will be wildly popular.

No, they're making a poor decision by simply re theming an existing low capacity to something that will be wildly popular rather that building something new and expanding capacity & giving that property it's due.

It's not big or grand enough.

 

[gmajew]

No, they're making a poor decision by simply re theming an existing low capacity to something that will be wildly popular rather that building something new and expanding capacity & giving that property it's due.

It's not big or grand enough.

Agreed wrong spot wrong location wrong ride...

 

[Cesar R M]

Not everyone complains when they don't get what they want. God could you imagine a world of all the losers lined up complaining because they can not get on a ride because they got to the park at 3Pm and the line is to long.... Poor babies.... cry me a river people really have started to think to much of themselves....

Same crap parents that get upset that you don't give out a game ball if your team loses... Fact of life losing sucks and not everyone is a winner... So if you lose or miss out on something look at your self clean up your damn undies and pull on your big boy gear and act like adults....

Your analogy doesnt make sense.
There is a different thing in COMPETITION.. and paying to expect to receive something.
If I go to a park, I expect to attend the attractions.
not to be told to "GT*O" by a CM because there is no capacity.

Have you bought a Cinema ticket for a certain hour and then be told that there is no space and thus you have to "suck it" ?

Every little girl is still a relatively narrow fanbase because it's only little girls (yes, that's a sweeping generalization but it's broadly correct). Little boys aren't lining up for Frozen and neither are honeymoon couples, the elderly, spring breakers, or high school band trips.

Wait a sec.. then what is Magic Kingdom for you?

 

[Mawg]

They announced it in January, but it did not start construction until Sept or Oct of that year.

I think the real point is that Disney takes a long time to build things and that does not just include the construction phase. It's the design work, planning, budgeting, time to get it green lite and then construction. And construction might actually be the fastest of all those mentioned. We only know how long things take based on announcements or ground breaking. But the truth is if a good movie comes out that Disney wants to build a major attraction for it or land around 10 years might be an exaggeration but not too far off.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Disagree. You can throw out 50% of that audience that only comes for F&B and has no interest in Frozen. Regardless of how low capacity will be, it still has to be more than a meet and greet, right?

The meet and greet.... Hmmm. Assume 3 rooms to visit our friends in. Assume 2 meets/minute per room, so 6 per minute. (Some serious Love and Shove.) So thats 360/hr.... Assume 12 hours and 4320 per day.

Dios Mio.... As the two together? 15,120/day.

 

[gmajew]

No, no it's not. Not even close.

Did you save for a year and fly half way across the country to get to your watering hole.

Yeah it is you should see the stupid crap people do for tables and the way they act and way worse... Monday night had a guy come in for hawks game ten min after it starts and complained so bad to my manager their was not a seat for him and his wife he tossed a table over...

People are crazy and just not right

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm holding out hope for a DCA-caliber redo at DHS. If that's what we end up getting, I'd much rather see that than Frozen.

Thats what I'm hoping for too.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The meet and greet.... Hmmm. Assume 3 rooms to visit our friends in. Assume 2 meets/minute per room, so 6 per minute. (Some serious Love and Shove.) So thats 360/hr.... Assume 12 hours and 4320 per day.

Dios Mio.... As the two together? 15,120/day.

But that meet and greet (at that capacity) is currently in Fantasyland and it's not resulting in torches and pitchforks at MK guest relations as @Disneyhead'71 alleges will be the case in Epcot.

 

[gmajew]

Your analogy doesnt make sense.
There is a different thing in COMPETITION.. and paying to expect to receive something.
If I go to a park, I expect to attend the attractions.
not to be told to "GT*O" by a CM because there is no capacity.

Have you bought a Cinema ticket for a certain hour and then be told that there is no space and thus you have to "suck it" ?

Not even close to the same man... When you go to a park for a day it is not a promise you can get on every ride you want in that day.... Nothing in the ticket purchase are your promised that are you? When you buy a seat at a movie you are buying a seat once they sell out of seats they don't sell anymore....

Airlines well that is a different story and yeah I have been bumped for that before several times.

 

[Cesar R M]

The meet and greet.... Hmmm. Assume 3 rooms to visit our friends in. Assume 2 meets/minute per room, so 6 per minute. (Some serious Love and Shove.) So thats 360/hr.... Assume 12 hours and 4320 per day.

Dios Mio.... As the two together? 15,120/day.

breath Dave.. breath..
perhaps you might want to sit down and get a paper bag or something.

 

[Cesar R M]

Not even close to the same man... When you go to a park for a day it is not a promise you can get on every ride you want in that day.... Nothing in the ticket purchase are your promised that are you? When you buy a seat at a movie you are buying a seat once they sell out of seats they don't sell anymore....

Airlines well that is a different story and yeah I have been bumped for that before several times.

Airlines still compensate when they oversell.

And isn't that the point of FastPass+?

Also, I never said "every ride".

But that meet and greet (at that capacity) is currently in Fantasyland and it's not resulting in torches and pitchforks at MK guest relations as @Disneyhead'71 alleges will be the case in Epcot.

Doesnt the Magic Kingdom compensate with more than one single princess?
I mean, how many M&G are princess related and scattered around MK?

 

[wdisney9000]

Rant much?

Here's an idea, instead of setting up a situation in which "losers" and upset guests are unavoidable, Disney could build something that will be capable of satisfying all their guests. Even those ungrateful heathens who show up after rope drop!

Whats so funny is that the company is defended either way. I dont know how many people said that MM+ was perfect because it allowed them to sleep in and arrive later in the day. Now when Disney creates an operational nightmare, its on the guest to rise early and get there at rope drop because its not Disneys responsibility to factor in these concerns for the family who is dropping a few thousand dollars to enjoy what the parks offer. Not to even mention that the CM's working GR will have to deal the crazy Moms who spawned all the princesses that are freaking out because they cant see an 18 year old college student...er I mean Elsa.

 

[gmajew]

Airlines still compensate when they oversell.

And isn't that the point of FastPass+?

Also, I never said "every ride".



Doesnt the Magic Kingdom compensate with more than one single princess?
I mean, how many M&G are princess related and scattered around MK?

Compensation for the pain to change your flight is not compensation.

 

[PhotoDave219]

But that meet and greet (at that capacity) is currently in Fantasyland and it's not resulting in torches and pitchforks at MK guest relations as @Disneyhead'71 alleges will be the case in Epcot.

I'm not sure what the operational setup there in Fantasyland.