Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
Siren said:
The last exceptional awe inspiring attraction that Disney built was Expedition Everest way back in 2006 -- even with a broken yeti. It is now 2015 and we are still waiting. So, I don't really get all of the sudden uproar.

This notion that Disney shouldn't build anything at all unless it's like blah blah blah, is defeatist to me. There is this mindset that believes everything should remain the same unless it's like Tokyo or where ever and I just won't subscribe to that. If Tokyo is so great, I can book jet and go there. I don't expect WDW to morph into something it's not.

As a consumer, I still find some value in Disney -- I love the parks and I look forward to the changes that are coming soon and that includes the Frozen ride. If I didn't -- why else would I be here?
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I don't think anyone's forcing you to change your opinion. But on a discussion board, people have a right to disagree.

It's a polarizing subject. Some people don't care about the negatives and look on the bright side, others see it as a missed opportunity by Disney and another notch on their El Cheapo belt.

I don't think anyone wants WDW to turn into Tokyo either. It just comes up as an example of a theme park that isn't afraid to spend and isn't afraid to build. You could point to DL for that as well, as of late.

There is no sudden uproar, this type of discussion has been going on for years. The uproar is regarding the location and insertion of an IP where it's shoe-horned in, rather than given a proper location.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
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lebeau said:
Just so I'm clear, you're abandoning the entire "It was either this or wait 10 years for Frozen" argument that you made all day yesterday, right? We're all going to agree that was just nonsense.

So now your argument comes down to, yes I know that the new Frozen ride is a shortcut driven by the bottom-line, but we should be excites about it anyway. Is that what you're getting at? Cause if so, I strongly disagree.
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Wherever the goal posts need to be moved to fit her ever changing argument.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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wdisney9000 said:
I dont believe she had made it past 3 consecutive posts without contradicting herself and/or not following her own advice. Im sure the feminist card will be played shortly, then queue the (self declared) victimization followed by a disappearing act and random spouts about Norwegian tourism. Thats seems to be rather important for some reason.
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Well Rachel's was mentioned and that's basically covers third-wave feminism. Nina Hartley has some writings on that. (And no, i'm not linking those)
 
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Siren

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danlb_2000 said:
They announced it in January, but it did not start construction until Sept or Oct of that year.
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I count from the date a project is announced. This is why part of people think Universal builds everything so quickly because they tend to start construction before announcing it. The only dates that I care to keep track of are the announcement date and the grand opening.

lebeau said:
Just so I'm clear, you're abandoning the entire "It was either this or wait 10 years for Frozen" argument that you made all day yesterday, right? We're all going to agree that was just nonsense.

So now your argument comes down to, yes I know that the new Frozen ride is a shortcut driven by the bottom-line, but we should be excites about it anyway. Is that what you're getting at? Cause if so, I strongly disagree.
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I'm not abandoning that argument, I still stand by that. Based on what I perceive to be Disney's methodical approach to constructing projects, yes, I think Frozenland would be ten years from now -- after Star Wars land is completed.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Siren said:
I count from the date a project is announced. This is why part of people think Universal builds everything so quickly because they tend to start construction before announcing it. The only dates that I care to keep track of are the announcement date and the grand opening.

I'm not abandoning that argument, I still stand by that. Based on what I perceive to be Disney's methodical approach to constructing projects, yes, I think Frozenland would be ten years from now -- after Star Wars land is completed.
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Announcement is not a good date to work from since in Disney's case I have found it to be all over the board. Avatar got announced long before construction started, but DVCs generally get announced well after. Announcement is really a Marketing decision, not a construction one.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
PhotoDave219 said:
Well Rachel's was mentioned and that's basically covers third-wave feminism. Nina Hartley has some writings on that. (And no, i'm not linking those)
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I wonder what Nina Hartleys stance on Norwegian Tourism increases is? It apparently accounts for quite a bit, even 3rd wave feminism perhaps.
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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Frozen is an American story about a fictional country called Arendalle produced by an American movie studio loosely based on a story about a Russian Princess that was written by a Danish author.

Perfect fit for the Norwegian Pavilion.

Siren, how many other World Showcase pavilions' headline attractions are based on fictional countries? A simple number would be the answer to that question.
 
lebeau

lebeau

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Siren said:
I'm not abandoning that argument, I still stand by that. Based on what I perceive to be Disney's methodical approach to constructing projects, yes, I think Frozenland would be ten years from now -- after Star Wars land is completed.
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Saying that Disney would have delayed it ten years because they are incredibly cheap is not the same thing as saying Disney had to do what they are doing in order to get it done some time in the next decade.

To paraphrase Jules Winnfield: Ain't the same @#$!' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same @#$!' sport!

Also, do you realize that Star Wars land isn't actually a thing yet?
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
Siren said:
I'm not abandoning that argument, I still stand by that. Based on what I perceive to be Disney's methodical approach to constructing projects, yes, I think Frozenland would be ten years from now -- after Star Wars land is completed.
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10 years is 2025. The film came out in 2013.

It would make no sense to push off Frozen until then, because there's only so much you can do with it. There will be a sequel, but how many sequels can you do? If anything they would push Star Wars off because they already have a Star Wars presence in the parks and there's an endless amount of stories you can create for it.

10 years, even by Disney standards, is way too long.
 
invader

invader

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Disneyhead'71 said:
Frozen is an American story about a fictional country called Arendalle produced by an American movie studio loosely based on a story about a Russian Princess that was written by a Danish author.

Perfect fit for the Norwegian Pavilion.

Siren, how many other World Showcase pavilions' headline attractions are based on fictional countries? A simple number would be the answer to that question.
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You act like the Three Caballeros is any better LOL

spacemt354 said:
10 years is 2025. The film came out in 2013.

It would make no sense to push off Frozen until then, because there's only so much you can do with it. There will be a sequel, but how many sequels can you do? If anything they would push Star Wars off because they already have a Star Wars presence in the parks and there's an endless amount of stories you can create for it.

10 years, even by Disney standards, is way too long.
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We waited that long for a Little Mermaid ride and look at what we got...
 
lebeau

lebeau

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wdisney9000 said:
Im sure her answer will have something to do with not being fair for ten year old girls
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My 10 year old girl is much more excited about Harry Potter and Minions than Frozen. Just sayin'.

Don't get me wrong, my girls are Frozen fans. We played the soundtrack non-stop for 3-4 months. They are looking forward to seeing the princesses again on our cruise. But by 10, Frozen isn't such a big thing anymore. Even the 6 year-old is moving on.
 

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