Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[spacemt354]

Fair points everyone, no need to all jump on me at once now. I think Frozen fits just fine in Norway, that's my opinion. Do I think Frozen deserved more than being shoved into WS? Yes, I do. Do I wish they had dedicated a bigger presence in another park? Yes, I do. Do I think it is such a stretch putting Frozen in Norway? No I don't.

If you just answered the questions instead of circumventing them, there would be no need to feel "jumped on." Could you just answer the questions?

I feel like this thread is like a washing machine. Rinse and repeat every couple of pages...

 

[DisDan]

OK, I'll make this real simple and use small words.

Were the people of Germany telling the story of Snow White before Disney made the movie? Yes.

Were the people of China telling the story of Mulan before Disney made the movie. Yes.

Were the people of Norway telling the story of Elsa before Disney made the movie? No.

Game Over.

Real mature of you, what game is over? I was expressing my opinion, that line about using small words, was that really necessary? I am sorry you did not agree with me, no need for that non sense.... I respected your opinion.

 

[DisDan]

If you just answered the questions instead of circumventing them, there would be no need to feel "jumped on" Could you just answer the questions?

I feel like this thread is like a washing machine. Rinse and repeat every couple of pages...

Answered the question? What question? Ask me, and i'll answer.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Let me put it another way, when kids watch Snow White, Mulan, Cinderella, Pinocchio, etc they are not aware of what country the stories originated in. What they see is a Cartoon in a fantasy world and the fact that these cartoons happen to visually represent a country or culture is irrelevant to them. The hand drawn or computer animated worlds the artist gave them were designed to look like a particular place in the real world. What I am saying is the same thing can apply to Frozen if you look at it objectively for what it is. The world that Anna and Elsa live in was drawn to look like Norway. The clothes that are worn, the mythical characters depicted in it are also from Norse mythology (Trolls). That is what I meant.

Maybe, just maybe that is what educational stuff like World Showcase is for. So your kids don't grow up thinking Arendelle is an icy country located somewhere between Mexico and China.

 

[spacemt354]

Answered the question? What question? Ask me, and i'll answer.

If a cartoon has background images that look like Germany, can said cartoon be allowed in Germany simply based on its aesthetic appearance and not based on the actual country the story takes place?

Let's say there was an Austrian pavilion. It has similar architecture to Germany. Would you be okay with Snow White being placed in Austria? Even though the story came from Germany?

It's basically the same question. I asked them already but here you go.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Look, I get it, those fictional stories are based in real places in the world. The culture and landscapes represented in those films as well as the people and clothing all point to the fact that they belong to a specific region in the real world. I am not trying to discredit that all I am trying to say is Frozen can fit in Norway much the same way.

Except that the reasoning is more than just where those stories are set. You keep just trying to make this "Do they look the same?" when nobody is saying "Frozen does not belong because it does not look like Norway."

Answered the question? What question? Ask me, and i'll answer.

Does Mulan belong in the Japan Pavilion?
Does Pinocchio's Daring Journey belong in the Germany Pavilion?

 

[DisDan]

Maybe, just maybe that is what educational stuff like World Showcase is for. So your kids don't grow up thinking Arendelle is an icy country located somewhere between Mexico and China.

Yes, because what my kids see in the WS at Disney World is going to be all they will ever know about the world. Thanks.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Fair points everyone, no need to all jump on me at once now. I think Frozen fits just fine in Norway, that's my opinion. Do I think Frozen deserved more than being shoved into WS? Yes, I do. Do I wish they had dedicated a bigger presence in another park? Yes, I do. Do I think it is such a stretch putting Frozen in Norway? No I don't.

Do you believe that the best way to represent the people and culture of Norway is with a ride about "NOT NORWAY!"

If I were Norwegian, I'd be a little offended.

 

[DisDan]

If a cartoon has background images that look like Germany, can said cartoon be allowed in Germany simply based on its aesthetic appearance and not based on the actual country the story takes place?

Let's say there was an Austrian pavilion. It has similar architecture to Germany. Would you be okay with Snow White being placed in Austria? Even though the story came from Germany?

It's basically the same question. I asked them already but here you go.

Don't ask me questions that are clearly setup as bait. There are movies that are an obvious fit for their respective countries, Mulan, Snow White are very good examples of that. Frozen, where do you put it? I mean if you have to put it in WS, which clearly Disney says they have to (again I don't agree with that). But clearly Frozen borrowed a lot from Norway, so I don't believe it is such a bad fit there.

 

[DisDan]

Do you believe that the best way to represent the people and culture of Norway is with a ride about "NOT NORWAY!"

If I were Norwegian, I'd be a little offended.

Have I not made it clear I don't agree with putting Frozen in WS?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don't ask me questions that are clearly setup as bait. There are movies that are an obvious fit for their respective countries, Mulan, Snow White are very good examples of that. Frozen, where do you put it? I mean if you have to put it in WS, which clearly Disney says they have to (again I don't agree with that). But clearly Frozen borrowed a lot from Norway, so I don't believe it is such a bad fit there.

Frozen must go into World Showcase because there is a ride small enough that it can quickly and cheaply be turned redone.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Have I not made it clear I don't agree with putting Frozen in WS?

Oh, ok. I thought that is what we were discussing.

 

[Andrew C]

With all due respect for those excited about a Frozen ride, I truly hope they blow it. I hope they blow it big time.., i hope they slash the budget to the point where it cant be denied that theu took the cheap route. Only in the hopes that it could cause a light to shine on the nasty underbelly of how ridiculously the parks are being cared for. I said "cared for", not operated. Operational wise, they are practically printing money. Kudos in that aspect, Mr. Iger. But the stock price increase and the happiness of Wall Street has come at a price, deary.

Seems like you are hoping for failure to win the 'argument'. You complain about mediocrity but then root for mediocrity. This is going to happen even if we do not like it. So I am hoping it will be awesome, because if it is not, we will still be stuck with it for quite some time.

 

[DisDan]

Frozen must go into World Showcase because there is a ride small enough that it can quickly and cheaply be turned redone.

Yea, I think it was a Cheap and Fast way to get a Frozen ride and M&G into a park. I am sure they also want to get the Anna and Elsa M&G out of MK. After all, they originally tried to put it in the Norway Pavillion and we all know how that failed. Now they are building a dedicated M&G building for them and placing a ride next door... Sucks... I know. But that is out of our control at this point and my opinion is, it does not feel so out of place in Norway at least. Better that than shoving it somewhere in Future World...

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I believe that the things most hurt by moves like this aren't the integrity of Epcot or the feelings of the good people of Norway, but the very core of intellectual depth and artistic integrity.

As a country, we have been moving away from those concepts for too long. Oh, and the concept of bettering ones self also seems to be out of vogue these days as well.

 

[DisDan]

I believe that the things most hurt by moves like this aren't the integrity of Epcot or the feelings of the good people of Norway, but the very core of intellectual depth and artistic integrity.

As a country, we have been moving away from those concepts for too long. Oh, and the concept of bettering ones self also seems to be out of vogue these days as well.

We are a country where the all mighty buck trumps all. Been going that direction for a while now.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yea, I think it was a Cheap and Fast way to get a Frozen ride and M&G into a park. I am sure they also want to get the Anna and Elsa M&G out of MK. After all, they originally tried to put it in the Norway Pavillion and we all know how that failed. Now they are building a dedicated M&G building for them and placing a ride next door... Sucks... I know. But that is out of our control at this point and my opinion is, it does not feel so out of place in Norway at least. Better that than shoving it somewhere in Future World...

Add in another "it's not the worst fit" and another and another and eventually there is no more theme at the theme park.

We are a country where the all mighty buck trumps all. Been going that direction for a while now.

Except that The Walt Disney Company now owns Marvel Entertainment, whose Marvel Studios has produced incredibly successful films by sticking to their core concept.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

We are a country where the all mighty buck trumps all. Been going that direction for a while now.

Yep, we live in a country where we can't afford intellectual depth, and artistic ingrity is a waste of time and money.

 

[spacemt354]

Don't ask me questions that are clearly setup as bait. There are movies that are an obvious fit for their respective countries, Mulan, Snow White are very good examples of that. Frozen, where do you put it? I mean if you have to put it in WS, which clearly Disney says they have to (again I don't agree with that). But clearly Frozen borrowed a lot from Norway, so I don't believe it is such a bad fit there.

It's a simple question....a question that derives from this....

Anyhow, point is the characters and land in Frozen are as similar to Norway as those in Mulan and Snow White are to the respective countries which they are representing.. IMO.

It's not setup as bait. It's your words, and I'm trying to infer your logic. If Mulan and Snow White are good examples of characters that are an "obvious fit for their respective countries" and Frozen is "as similar to Norway as those in Mulan and Snow White" it would seem to me like you think Frozen is an obvious fit for its respective country. However, Arendelle is not in WS...so what you just go with the next best thing? That doesn't seem like an "obvious fit"
A "not so bad" fit doesn't seem so "obvious"
You still didn't answer the question and you said you would.

 

[DisDan]

It's a simple question....a question that derives from this....

It's not setup as bait. It's your words, and I'm trying to infer your logic. If Mulan and Snow White are good examples of characters that are an "obvious fit for their respective countries" and Frozen is "as similar to Norway as those in Mulan and Snow White" it would seem to me like you think Frozen is an obvious fit for its respective country. However, Arendelle is not in WS...so what you just go with the next best thing? That doesn't seem like an "obvious fit"

You still didn't answer the question and you said you would.

Obviously, I failed miserably at making my point. I hope you understood where I was coming from at least, even if you don't agree.