Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[wdisney9000]

But is it really people trying to tell you what to like or is it them voicing their dislike at something? To me, there's a big difference. I agree some posters do that, and can be overly negative but there are so many here, myself included, that try and see things from both sides.

I don't know why every thread needs to be hijacked with "stop being negative" and "stop being so happy" though. So many pages get wasted on this argument and there have been many noticeable thread hijacks lately.

Its usually the same progression. A member (usually new) will post their opinion in a thread such as this one. A different member will post an opposing viewpoint and then perhaps a few others will post their views that also differ from the new members opinion. All of the sudden the new member feels "attacked" because there are several people disagreeing with him/her. The new member mistakes that 'disagreement' as argumentative or people trying to tell them how to feel when in reality its just a discussion going back and forth and nobody has done anything but state their opinion.

Threads like this one are a great example. Look at how many defensive posts you see that say something like "your just clinging to the past" , "Epcot is boring for my family" , "your just a purist who hates change", or pick any one of the many "Disney is a business" type of posts. When met with opposition they come back with "get over it" or they assume you hate Frozen. They completely miss the point because they are angry at the thought of someone questioning TWDC. Ive had days on here where out of nowhere someone will chime in with "man, you guys are negative, why do you even go to Disney if you hate it"? 9 times out of 10 its a new member. Queue the progression I described above.

 

[Kman101]

Its usually the same progression. A member (usually new) will post their opinion in a thread such as this one. A different member will post an opposing viewpoint and then perhaps a few others will post their views that also differ from the new members opinion. All of the sudden the new member feels "attacked" because there are several people disagreeing with him/her. The new member mistakes that 'disagreement' as argumentative or people trying to tell them how to feel when in reality its just a discussion going back and forth and nobody has done anything but state their opinion.

Threads like this one are a great example. Look at how many defensive posts you see that say something like "your just clinging to the past" , "Epcot is boring for my family" , "your just a purist who hates change", or pick any one of the many "Disney is a business" type of posts. When met with opposition they come back with "get over it" or they assume you hate Frozen. They completely miss the point because they are angry at the thought of someone questioning TWDC. Ive had days on here where out of nowhere someone will chime in with "man, you guys are negative, why do you even go to Disney if you hate it"? 9 times out of 10 its a new member. Queue the progression I described above.

I wish I could like this more than once.

 

[wdisney9000]

I was talking about the few loud overly negative voices.

there are many here who can't wait to take a shot on a positive opinion on current Disney direction or change

two great examples. You guys are assuming its "negative" or someone is taking a shot at you when someone disagrees with you. Ive watched both of you be the FIRST to fling insults at people who simply state why they disagree with you. Then you claim your getting attacked. Im sure neither of you like me very much but I would hope you understand when I disagree with you that Im not trying to tell you how to feel. Im just telling you how I feel. Ive said many times that Im glad people who want a Frozen attraction are getting it. Even if you just want change in Epcot, Im happy for you that its happening. If I choose to believe that TWDC is being cheap about it, thats my opinion, not me forcing a religion upon you.

ETA: we ALL love WDW and its easy to loose sight of that during a heated a discussion.

 

[Alektronic]

Interesting permit today for "Norway Attraction Rehab". The contractor is Whiting-Turner the same company doing that field the original Frozen/Maelstrom permit, but the address on this one is 1598 Avenue of the Stars (Maelstrom is 1600) and the expiration is 12/31/2016. I am guessing that this is for the new M&G building and they are just stretching the definition of "attraction rehab".

Because it is the project and the same budget, originally the M&G was going into the merchandise shops, but then they changed their plans and now going to build a separate building, but they didn't increase the budget(yet?) so they are going to make more cuts in the ride budget to compensate for it.

 

[Cesar R M]

Because it is the project and the same budget, originally the M&G was going into the merchandise shops, but then they changed their plans and now going to build a separate building, but they didn't increase the budget(yet?) so they are going to make more cuts in the ride budget to compensate for it.

for the project standpoint, I agree that the new M&G was needed.. the store is pretty small for a M&G with the frozen popularity.
If Frozen M&G can get 4+ hours waiting times, I can imagine the oversaturation of the Norway area.

 

[Phicinfan]

two great examples. You guys are assuming its "negative" or someone is taking a shot at you when someone disagrees with you. Ive watched both of you be the FIRST to fling insults at people who simply state why they disagree with you. Then you claim your getting attacked. Im sure neither of you like me very much but I would hope you understand when I disagree with you that Im not trying to tell you how to feel. Im just telling you how I feel. Ive said many times that Im glad people who want a Frozen attraction are getting it. Even if you just want change in Epcot, Im happy for you that its happening. If I choose to believe that TWDC is being cheap about it, thats my opinion, not me forcing a religion upon you.

ETA: we ALL love WDW and its easy to loose sight of that during a heated a discussion.

yes, it is very easy to get too defensive, one problem with written responses is you interpret as you go....

that being said, I think if you look closer to what has been posted, our point has been made. There are some here who for whatever reason, feel they have a better or more experienced point of view, and disenting opinions are just wrong, since we are Pixie dusters or some such.

I would also submit, requiring me to defend WHY I like something is a bit elitist as well, which you are very guilty of. Why do I have to explain or defend my point of view? Basically, its just that, my point of view.

 

[spacemt354]

yes, it is very easy to get too defensive, one problem with written responses is you interpret as you go....

that being said, I think if you look closer to what has been posted, our point has been made. There are some here who for whatever reason, feel they have a better or more experienced point of view, and disenting opinions are just wrong, since we are Pixie dusters or some such.

I would also submit, requiring me to defend WHY I like something is a bit elitist as well, which you are very guilty of. Why do I have to explain or defend my point of view? Basically, its just that, my point of view.

Right but this is a discussion forum and people give reasons for their views all the time.

Especially if your view is a minority perspective, it helps the debate or discussion when you can give more than "it's just my opinion"

That's fine. You're not forced to give a reason, but if it's just your view and you have nothing else to contribute it just drags threads down to continue disagreeing with people who oppose your view and add your two cents and claim people need to stop being so aggressive and should just be happy.

Not saying that's you specifically, but it's a trend of new members. Snarky monkey says he has me on ignore now because he only read the first two lines of a long post and got all defensive.

Everyone, including myself, has been a new member and has had to adjust to the conversation on this forum. I got into some arguments when I first got here but instead of getting all defensive I realized that people were just passionate and still loved disney even if they criticize it

 

[Travel Junkie]

I would also submit, requiring me to defend WHY I like something is a bit elitist as well, which you are very guilty of. Why do I have to explain or defend my point of view? Basically, its just that, my point of view.

It’s not elitist to ask why you have an opinion. It’s trying to become more educated by listening to opposing viewpoints. Contrary to popular belief it is possible to change your mind. Explaining different points of view is what we should be doing more of, not less. If you feel threatened by defending your point of view, perhaps you should re-examine why you have that point of view, because it was likely arrived at without enough thought.

 

[Phicinfan]

It’s not elitist to ask why you have an opinion. It’s trying to become more educated by listening to opposing viewpoints. Contrary to popular belief it is possible to change your mind. Explaining different points of view is what we should be doing more of, not less. If you feel threatened by defending your point of view, perhaps you should re-examine why you have that point of view, because it was likely arrived at without enough thought.

To ask why no, to demand why yes. Big difference

 

[RayTheFirefly]

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I have a question does anyone know if this frozen attraction will utilize the new AA's such as the ones in the SDMT or cheap ones like in the little mermaid?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I never made a claim that it was a negative. The point was that the MO of WS has shifted to this type of crowd over the years and diluted the educational aspect that made it a unique theme park innovation.

There's nothing innovative about bar hopping

WS was never about education the world showcase was tourism, and thats what is still is.

 

[DisDan]

I have a question does anyone know if this frozen attraction will utilize the new AA's such as the ones in the SDMT or cheap ones like in the little mermaid?

I don't think anyone knows that yet. As far as I know, that information has not yet been released or rumored about.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I don't think anyone knows that yet. As far as I know, that information has not yet been released or rumored about.

I feel like if Disney was really concerned about drawing attendance, they would use the new AA's get rid of the flume aspect and replace it with Omnimovers, call them Snowflakes (Instead of clamshells)

 

[wdisney9000]

To ask why no, to demand why yes. Big difference

Who demanded it though?

 

[spacemt354]

WS was never about education the world showcase was tourism, and thats what is still is.

How?

Is that just an opinion or is there evidence? Because I could easily spout off about all the educational aspects of WS (past and present) if I must but it will just lead to a further thread tangent

 

[MagicHappens1971]

How?

Is that just an opinion or is there evidence? Because I could go on a tangent about all the educational aspects of WS if I must but it will just lead to a further thread tangent

I'm not saying it's not educational, my point was almost each country has the countries travel agents there to plan a vacation to said country. I know for a fact Maelstrom did at the exit. I only was trying to make this point because people claiming that adding frozen to norway defeats the educational purpose isn't really valid.

 

[spacemt354]

Who demanded it though?

Nobody. It's all their interpretation. Whenever someone asks them for anything to back up their opinion, it's interpreted as a demand and the defensiveness ensues.

There's a difference between a question and a demand.

 

[Phicinfan]

Who demanded it though?

You for one, multiple times.

 

[Phicinfan]

Nobody. It's all their interpretation. Whenever someone asks them for anything to back up their opinion, it's interpreted as a demand and the defensiveness ensues.

There's a difference between a question and a demand.

To constantly insist on opinion and then spend multiple posts trying to refute them, and then continue to harangue them for realistic points of view is pretty darn close to demanding. And then you have those who later re-quote said person when they don't reply basically stating they had not realistic answer is another.

Do I need to continue with your past history.

Again, everyone has an opinion. As stated multiple times I get how the new Frozen M&G and Ride don't fit in original scope of WS. I also get why those who really love WS are feeling worried or plain disappointed.

I also understand wdisney9000's point of view of this is haphazard and could be sloppy since it is only a money grab. Obviously that is a definite possibility.

Some of us are of the opinion, that this could be the start of a re-staging of WS, and maybe expanding movie influence more into that section of the park. I for one am all for it, if it does not also remove what those areas originally were, and is just an enhancement.

Change is good, at least to me, but I see why some don't feel that way.