Disney confirms 'Frozen' makeover coming to Epcot's Norway Pavilion

[spacemt354]

I wonder if the lack of innovative ideas/attractions in WS and Epcot in general have led to this type of crowd/mentality rather than the other way around.

I think you're right. I would agree with the bolded. They looked at the popularity of Food and Wine and said, wow, this world likes to eat/drink. Having WS turn into a food/bar hopping destination draws more than I would guess an educational/innovative experience. It also takes less brain power and money too.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can you stop for a moment and reading how little sense are you making?

Noone said the Disney cartoons are not "american"(as in made in the USA).
because that's NOT what we're talking about.

I'm talking about creative conception, not physical production. The Simpsons is still American even if the actual animation is done in Korea. Clothes and buildings being applied to a story don't make it a product of another culture.

 

[wdisney9000]

Please don't take offense to this, but since you have joined, whenever you've posted one of these messages all I can think of is this:

You wonder why you can't relate to people is because your tagline says "Unapologetically a Disney apologist"

That basically wipes out at least 50% of the forum members around these parts from agreeing with anything you say, whether that is fair or not is a whole other question.

The other 50% can see both sides of the discussion, but it's tough to agree with you when you interject with comments like the one I have quoted. Particularly the bold.

As a consumer, a good company allows their customers voices to be heard. We are not a bunch of sheep. This is not a utilitarian dictatorship. If we are unsatisfied with something we have a right to voice our opinion. If Disney wants to listen, it will help their business. If they want to stick their head in the sand and make no adjustments, over time, you are going to lose fans.

How do you think DCA got it's refurb? People complained. Why do you think the MCU is so successful? Because they actually listen to what fans want to see. Fans wanted Hulk/Hulkbuster fight for a long time. Look at the last Avengers trailer.

See companies that interact with their guests and listen tend to stay in business longer than ones who don't. If you truly feel that Disney owes you nothing and that the consumer should simply shut up and be thankful for what's coming, then IMO, you've now lost 95-99% of this site's members.

There are people who wanted Frozen in the parks. Those people got their voices heard. Now it's an entirely different debate whether or not Disney is handling it properly, but the fact that you simply don't understand some Disney fans nor can sympathize with old-time Epcot fans tells me that you're going to have a tough time finding agreement with the majority on this site.

That's not a negative. Not saying having a minority opinion is bad, and I'm not encouraging you to change your stance, but stop acting all surprised. Please stop whining about how you don't understand the mindset of some Disney fans. You've gotten into arguments with people and then have no idea why. Well, apologizes for being frank but, it's because you have your head in the sand...

What's truly sad is that the people like the one you quoted don't even understand that the worst outcome of our "complaining" would be that Disney may look at it as true feedback and adjust. The "lie down and take it" crowd doesn't even contribute to the market research that's been trotted out as the latest excuse. I seriously picture them as full grown adults whom at the sight of a Disney survey taker they grab the TouchPad and begin feverishly smashing it against their forehead like a caveman because they are so overwhelmed to share their love for Disney that they revert to a neanderthal state and when they tire of the self inflicting physical trauma, they drop to a fetal position and pass out.

Not saying we should expect anything to change because we make a few negative comments, nor is that the intention. This is a discussion board and people should discuss it with a freedom of not having to respond to comments like the ones you bolded.

 

[spacemt354]

I seriously picture them as full grown adults whom at the sight of a Disney survey taker they grab the TouchPad and begin feverishly smashing it against their forehead like a caveman because they are so overwhelmed to share their love for Disney that they revert to a neanderthal state and when they tire of the self inflicting physical trauma, they drop to a fetal position and pass out.

That might be the most vivid and disturbing description of pixie-dusters I've ever seen on this site. Kudos to you, sir, you have a better imagination than the current version of figment

 

[VulcanCafe]

There is an important fact that is lost in this discussion. One key for the future success of a business is to determine when a company should pay attention to its most vocal fans, and when to ignore them. Sometimes, the most vocal fans don't like change, or want the nicest possible product, even if it that gold plated product dooms the company over time.

We serve an important function. Complaining is a valid means of attempting to get change, and its up to management to actively ignore us when needed.

 

[wdisney9000]

That might be the most vivid and disturbing description of pixie-dusters I've ever seen on this site. Kudos to you, sir, you have a better imagination than the current version of figment

I was inspired by your post. It was refreshing and I was glad I had a beer in hand while reading it.

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm talking about creative conception, not physical production. The Simpsons is still American even if the actual animation is done in Korea. Clothes and buildings being applied to a story don't make it a product of another culture.

Just... LET IT GO.. because I didn't said that either. Nor are we comparing simpsons.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just... LET IT GO.. because I didn't said that either. Nor are we comparing simpsons.

Then what are you saying? What determines if something is a product of a culture?

 

[roj2323]

so has anyone seen anything interesting on this construction project recently?

 

[jensenrick]

so has anyone seen anything interesting on this construction project recently?

I'm sure "interesting " depends on what camp you are in. Some hope for imagineering plans, some for meteors from the skies.

 

[Mike S]

I'm sure "interesting " depends on what camp you are in. Some hope for imagineering plans, some for meteors from the skies.

Lightning would work too

 

[lazyboy97o]

Or a sink hole. It is Florida.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Dont forget about the kids. Their happiness at the parks is a big concern for Disney.

I know you are being highly facetious here, but to most front-line CMs at least, it actually does matter.

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

Personally I think companies, Disney or otherwise, should be very concerned about my personal opinion. How the customer feels about the company directly influences the bottom line. I think they owe "me" as a customer everything, because without "me" they would go out of business. Now, note that I put "me" in quotes because I don't expect a company to cater to every whim of every customer, but as a whole they need to listen to the customer. There are also times when responding directly to a single customers concern can also be very valuable. I recently ordered something from a company and the package was damaged due to no fault of the company or even the delivery carrier, yet this company replaced it no questions asked. I had no expectations of them doing that and it cemented me as a loyal customer going forward.

Also, just because a company is making money that doesn't mean they are on the right track to retain that business and by the time the numbers reflect that it may be to late.

Sorry. I don't think I explained myself well at all. I didn't mean that Disney shouldn't have good customer service or try to offer a good product. I think their customer service goes a long way. It keeps guests happy, coming back and makes them lots of money.

I was talking about attraction expansion. Some people (a very few but loud voices) write posts as if they think that Disney should consult with them personally about changes that they are going to make. Right before I posted my last post, someone suggested that Disney should outline their vision and plans in order to help the purists grieve properly. It is statements like that that I find difficult.

ETA: The following was in response to spacemt354:

Please don't take offense to this, but since you have joined, whenever you've posted one of these messages all I can think of is this:

You wonder why you can't relate to people is because your tagline says "Unapologetically a Disney apologist".

I'll be honest and tell you that I only read the first two lines of your post. If you don't like what I have to say and it bothers you enough to publicly insult me then just put me on ignore, like I just did with you.

My tagline is what it is because quite quickly I was being called names like "pixie duster" and I decided to save haters the trouble.

Guys, I'm really not trying to cause trouble. I just get so frustrated by people who do nothing but try to convince you why you shouldn't like something. But I have banged that drum long enough and from now on I'll just ignore or scroll past the negativity. I'm glad most of you are not like this.

 

[Kman101]

But is it really people trying to tell you what to like or is it them voicing their dislike at something? To me, there's a big difference. I agree some posters do that, and can be overly negative but there are so many here, myself included, that try and see things from both sides.

I don't know why every thread needs to be hijacked with "stop being negative" and "stop being so happy" though. So many pages get wasted on this argument and there have been many noticeable thread hijacks lately.

 

[wdisney9000]

I know you are being highly facetious here, but to most front-line CMs at least, it actually does matter.

1000000% agree. Some of our best memories involve amazing cast members. They truly are the lifeblood of the magic. Last year my nephew got bumped into outside Plaza Ice Cream Parlor in MK and dropped his ice cream. A CM from the shop noticed and immediately took my nephew back inside and made him a new one. We took a picture of him with the CM and another CM photo bombed them and he was cracking up. Then he wanted to photo bomb her so she played along and it led to several funny photos with several of the CM's getting in on it. It was awesome. (apologies everyone for drifting)

 

[SnarkyMonkey]

But is it really people trying to tell you what to like or is it them voicing their dislike at something? To me, there's a big difference. I agree some posters do that, and can be overly negative but there are so many here, myself included, that try and see things from both sides.

I don't know why every thread needs to be hijacked with "stop being negative" and "stop being so happy" though. So many pages get wasted on this argument and there have been many noticeable thread hijacks lately.

Those hijacks usually begin with someone calling someone else a "pixie duster" if you go back and check or being accused of not being sophisticated enough or not understand the true meaning and original intent of Disney.

I know that there are lots of people who express their opinion and don't do that. I wasn't talking about those people. I was talking about the few loud overly negative voices.

 

[Phicinfan]

But is it really people trying to tell you what to like or is it them voicing their dislike at something? To me, there's a big difference. I agree some posters do that, and can be overly negative but there are so many here, myself included, that try and see things from both sides.

Yes, there are many here who look at both sides, and give open opinion on that. Does not though negate the fact there are many here who can't wait to take a shot on a positive opinion on current Disney direction or change.

I don't know why every thread needs to be hijacked with "stop being negative" and "stop being so happy" though. So many pages get wasted on this argument and there have been many noticeable thread hijacks lately.

Great question, neither do I. As a relative new comer I am shocked at how quickly the vultures attack when you state a positive view on some things. Or a negative one on others. I get an elitist snobbish kind of vibe here, from some as if they know more, or know better than Disney itself on what should or should not happen. I find it a bit ridiculous.

 

[Kman101]

Those hijacks usually begin with someone calling someone else a "pixie duster" if you go back and check or being accused of not being sophisticated enough or not understand the true meaning and original intent of Disney.

I know that there are lots of people who express their opinion and don't do that. I wasn't talking about those people. I was talking about the few loud overly negative voices.

I get that, but don't let them ruin anything for you. It's like letting a co-worker ruin your day. They're the ones in a bad mood and should have no bearing on you. It's hard, I know, believe me it is, but if you're happy and want to express it, do so and don't worry about those who are "trying to ruin the magic". You just have to start shrugging them off (you can always block/ignore them) and not worry so much about it.

I don't know why it's harped on so much though. There are some "negative nancy's" but again, you shouldn't let it affect you.

And it works both ways in that the so called "pixie dusters" want to jump on those who express an opinion that doesn't fit in their rose colored views. To me, the harping on those who express a slightly negative or critical opinion is the same as the overly negative posters jumping on the "pixie dusters".

 

[Kman101]

Yes, there are many here who look at both sides, and give open opinion on that. Does not though negate the fact there are many here who can't wait to take a shot on a positive opinion on current Disney direction or change.

Great question, neither do I. As a relative new comer I am shocked at how quickly the vultures attack when you state a positive view on some things. Or a negative one on others. I get an elitist snobbish kind of vibe here, from some as if they know more, or know better than Disney itself on what should or should not happen. I find it a bit ridiculous.

Nothing more for me to add but I agree with this. It's amazing how quickly threads get derailed by petty arguing and I know I've been slightly guilty of this a few times. Not by jumping on someone but by engaging in debate(s) that won't really find a resolution and go nowhere.