Disney Confidential says Wishes will be ending soon?

[csm]

and also the place where the slightest gust of wind disables the entire show.

Oh come on Steve. You should know better than this. The reason why wind is such a huge factor at Disneyland is the proximity to residential areas surrounding the park. If the wind is too high and a shell blows just a short distance it could cause a fire in someone's home. It has nothing to do with anything other than safety there.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Wishes is great. I hope rumor that it is ending is untrue. The visuals coincide with the audio in spectacular fashion. Music is meaningful and heartfelt. I have seen Fantasy in the Sky and it is absolutely bland in comparison. I'm sure both shows are on a popular video sharing website. Go ahead, look at both. Make sure you have the audio up for each. Tell us which one really hits home with you. For me, it is Wishes. They would have to really go above and beyond both visually and aurally to improve upon Wishes and they still might not hit the sweet spot of emotionally connecting with the guests.

 

[robw1997]

There are two reasons that the current firework order is of higher quantity.

1. "The Magic, the Memories, and You" projection show features pyrotechnics in the show finale

2. The Magic Kingdom is preparing for their annual 4th of July fireworks show "Celebrate America"

In NO WAY does the current pyrotechnics order indicate that a new fireworks show is coming to the Magic Kingdom. There are many Disney RUMORS floating around, most of which are prevarications that hold no veracity whatsoever. I believe that Wishes will be at the Magic Kingdom for a very long time.

 

[disneyrcks]

Oh come on Steve. You should know better than this. The reason why wind is such a huge factor at Disneyland is the proximity to residential areas surrounding the park. If the wind is too high and a shell blows just a short distance it could cause a fire in someone's home. It has nothing to do with anything other than safety there.

True but it does not mean this isn't a big downer for people who want to see fireworks. Steve never said it was unreasonable, he just said slight wind would cancel a show.

Wishes is great. I hope rumor that it is ending is untrue. The visuals coincide with the audio in spectacular fashion. Music is meaningful and heartfelt. I have seen Fantasy in the Sky and it is absolutely bland in comparison. I'm sure both shows are on a popular video sharing website. Go ahead, look at both. Make sure you have the audio up for each. Tell us which one really hits home with you. For me, it is Wishes. They would have to really go above and beyond both visually and aurally to improve upon Wishes and they still might not hit the sweet spot of emotionally connecting with the guests.

Luckily it seems that Wishes is not ending soon. I love Wishes and would like to see it stay a little while longer.

There are two reasons that the current firework order is of higher quantity.

1. "The Magic, the Memories, and You" projection show features pyrotechnics in the show finale

2. The Magic Kingdom is preparing for their annual 4th of July fireworks show "Celebrate America"

In NO WAY does the current pyrotechnics order indicate that a new fireworks show is coming to the Magic Kingdom. There are many Disney RUMORS floating around, most of which are prevarications that hold no veracity whatsoever. I believe that Wishes will be at the Magic Kingdom for a very long time.

Glad to hear it will be there for a long time and I hope people will read this post before responding since the question of it staying has been answered several times!

 

[Buried20KLeague]

and also the place where the slightest gust of wind disables the entire show.

Been here at DL since Saturday and no problems for me... :shrug:

Although the show they run here during the Summer leaves a LOT to be desired. Were it nor for the flying Dumbo, the whole show would be a waste IMO.

I couldn't wait to see "Remember..." again and was SO disappointed when I realized there was a change for the Summer.

 

[marni1971]

Really? We thought Magical was just that! Would love to have seen Remember though.

Ironically, slightly off topic, DLs Tink rig has another enemy as well as wind and lightning. Balloons. One night we saw a Mickey balloon go flying out of the hub (probably a kids hand too) and a one in a million chance it wedged itself between the two main wires of the rig. Tink didn`t fly that night.

 

[WDWFigment]

Been here at DL since Saturday and no problems for me... :shrug:

Although the show they run here during the Summer leaves a LOT to be desired. Were it nor for the flying Dumbo, the whole show would be a waste IMO.

I couldn't wait to see "Remember..." again and was SO disappointed when I realized there was a change for the Summer.

Really? We thought Magical was just that! Would love to have seen Remember though.

Ironically, slightly off topic, DLs Tink rig has another enemy as well as wind and lightning. Balloons. One night we saw a Mickey balloon go flying out of the hub (probably a kids hand too) and a one in a million chance it wedged itself between the two main wires of the rig. Tink didn`t fly that night.

I definitely agree that Remember... is far superior to Magical, but I think Magical is pretty good, too. Both are better than Wishes!

The wind thing really can't be a criticism of Remember... Any fireworks show out there is going to be canceled in high winds because of where the park is situated. That's just the way it is. That has absolutely nothing to do with TDA not wanting to run the show, or not making an effort, so I'm not exactly sure what Steve's point was with that comment.

There are a lot of comments in this thread from people who have never seen Remember... in person who are glad Wishes is staying. I can understand liking Wishes, but I don't think you can reasonably say you'd be upset if it changed because Wishes is perfect. I think it's going overboard to say Wishes definitely would be replaced by Remember, but if Wishes were replaced with a show that followed the same general formula as Remember... I would bet money that it would have a higher guest satisfaction rating than Wishes! Heck, it already contains the best parts of Wishes, anyway!

It's like only ever having seen the movie Free Willy and someone tells you that from now on, you can't watch Free Willy, but you have the opportunity to see a new and better movie, The Godfather. You might be disappointed that you won't get to watch Free Willy anymore, but you have no frame of reference to claim that Free Willy is better than The Godfather, because you've never seen The Godfather.

 

[Polyman]

If Wishes was to end tomorrow, that would not be soon enough.:hurl:

 

[wdwmagic]

Oh come on Steve. You should know better than this. The reason why wind is such a huge factor at Disneyland is the proximity to residential areas surrounding the park. If the wind is too high and a shell blows just a short distance it could cause a fire in someone's home. It has nothing to do with anything other than safety there.

Yep I know exactly why it gets cancelled, but it doesn't help those guests who expect to see it after paying their $80 admission. If WDW cancelled their night shows, the blame would be directed at WDW.

 

[wdwmagic]

The wind thing really can't be a criticism of Remember... Any fireworks show out there is going to be canceled in high winds because of where the park is situated. That's just the way it is. That has absolutely nothing to do with TDA not wanting to run the show, or not making an effort, so I'm not exactly sure what Steve's point was with that comment.

My point is that due to the design of DLs firework shows and the surrounding area, they are at the mercy of the weather, which results in a lot of cancellations to their shows. If this were to occur at WDW there would be outrage, but because the grass is always greener at DL, it is not a problem.

 

[Krack]

My point is that due to the design of DLs firework shows and the surrounding area, they are at the mercy of the weather, which results in a lot of cancellations to their shows. If this were to occur at WDW there would be outrage, but because the grass is always greener at DL, it is not a problem.

The reason DL does not get outrage from the fan community when they have to cancel the fireworks due to wind is because the fan community doesn't hold DL executives responsible for the weather. Similarly, if MK had to cancel fireworks due to a thunderstorm, there wouldn't be outrage.

 

[mp2bill]

Awwww man! I love Wishes! It's probably just not stale for me since I can't get down there that often.

 

[Goofnut1980]

SO totally off topic-ish.. but if MK has the new projectors, does anything think they will use them for MNSSHP or for MVMCP? I know they use little projections on the castle with those two parties. It would really spice it up a lot! :shrug:

 

[WDW Monorail]

Magical is a vastly superior show to RDCT in every capacity; design, storyline and soundtrack. The only thing I don't like about Magical is the lead vocalist.

The order for the 4th of July shows' product was probably placed very early this year, not recently. If whoever said that there was a large order placed is actually telling the truth, that order is probably for the Halloween show.

 

[David S.]

It's like only ever having seen the movie Free Willy and someone tells you that from now on, you can't watch Free Willy, but you have the opportunity to see a new and better movie, The Godfather. You might be disappointed that you won't get to watch Free Willy anymore, but you have no frame of reference to claim that Free Willy is better than The Godfather, because you've never seen The Godfather.

Not being argumentative, but that is an apples to oranges comparison. I've never seen The Godfather, but I can safely and without hesitation say that I KNOW for a FACT that I LOVE Free Willy more. Why, you ask?

Because Free Willy is in a genre I LOVE - an animal movie about the bond between Willy and the boy who helps rescue him. Safe, sentimental, heartwarming, happy ending, etc. - totally my cup of tea. Godfather, on the other hand, is a violent, R-rated movie about the mafia. Totally NOT my cup of tea, and knowing its a genre I avoid and don't enjoy, I can safely deduce beforehand that with the taste I have, I am not missing out by avoiding these type of violent, non "family-friendly" movies about the darkest aspects of the "real world" that won't speak to my inner child. So, as far as whether Free Willy or The Godfather is a "better" movie is a relative question based on one's taste, and what they are looking for in a movie. So I think a better choice would have been to pick two movies in the same genre... like, say, Tangled and Princess and the Frog (both EXCELLENT, BTW )

However, getting back on topic, I think you do make a good point that it is best to see Remember... before passing judgement. As both Remember... and Wishes are both in the same genre, they can be fairly compared. I haven't seen it in person (YET!) but I have seen video and have the audio of Remember... on the lavish Disneyland 6 CD boxed set. It blew me away, certainly. And I liked that it was specifically about park attractions. AWESOME show!

HOWEVER, Wishes moves me EMOTIONALLY more than any fireworks show (at a Disney park or ANYWHERE), I've ever seen. The part where the forces of evil are defeated and Jiminy Cricket says "It's the Blue Fairy!", and then the Blue Fairy says "Remember, we must always believe in our Wishes, for they are the Magic in the world. Now, let's all put our hearts together, and make a Wish come true", moves me to tears, or at least goosebumps, nearly every single time - even after seeing it over a hundred times! (Like Steve said, I am surprised to see the dislike many have expressed for Wishes, but, as the saying goes, "To each their own")

So, due to the EMOTIONAL connection I feel for Wishes, I would be VERY SAD to see it go, although I would certainly enjoy Remember Dreams Come True on it's own terms. I am glad to hear that, for now, Wishes is safe and not leaving anytime soon!

Here is a link to an earlier post summing up the place Wishes has in my heart:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4206051&postcount=19

 

[Krack]

Magical is a vastly superior show to RDCT in every capacity; design, storyline and soundtrack.

Boo. Hiss.

I disagree.

 

[marni1971]

I understand Steves point. DLs Fireworks get pulled and there are lines out the door of Guest Services. Even their 4th July show was pulled half way through last year (or the year before) to a lot of audible boos.

I`ve seen Wishes play with absolutely no in-park pyro due to the wind. A missing Tink was just the start of it. Imagine the Villains section playing to music, castle lighting changing colour and NO pyro what so ever. The show still got applause around the hub.

 

[TP2000]

My point is that due to the design of DLs firework shows and the surrounding area, they are at the mercy of the weather, which results in a lot of cancellations to their shows.

I wouldn't say that Disneyland cancels their fireworks "a lot". It really depends on the time of year, and it's pretty rare during spring and summer. I live on a hill in Villa Park several miles due east of Disneyland, and I can see/hear the fireworks quite plainly every night from most rooms in my house. I can't remember the last time they didn't go off as scheduled for the past few months. Maybe sometime this past winter during the rainstorms we had? Otherwise, they've been going off like clockwork for months now.

However... in October and November, there are quite a few fireworks cancellations at Disneyland. In my experience with a clear view of Disneyland fireworks for the past 15 years, there are on average two cancellations per week during the months of October and November. That happens to be the Santa Ana Wind season here in SoCal, and the northeast winds come ripping out of the canyons and out on to the coastal plain of Orange County once or twice per week during the fall. Sometimes when a really good Santa Ana pattern settles in you can have windy evenings for two or three nights in a row, and thus no fireworks for consecutive nights.

Otherwise, there are no rampant fireworks cancellations at Disneyland the rest of the year. Anything can happen of course, and sometimes if a particularly strong front is moving in off the ocean the fireworks can be cancelled for westerly winds, which is what happend two 4th of July's ago and people still talk about it.

But almost all fireworks cancellations at Disneyland are due to easterly winds, the infamous Santa Anas, that blow through all of SoCal primarily in October and November.

 

[DisneyMusician2]

Not being argumentative, but that is an apples to oranges comparison. I've never seen The Godfather, but I can safely and without hesitation say that I KNOW for a FACT that I LOVE Free Willy more. Why, you ask?

Because Free Willy is in a genre I LOVE - an animal movie about the bond between Willy and the boy who helps rescue him. Safe, sentimental, heartwarming, happy ending, etc. - totally my cup of tea. Godfather, on the other hand, is a violent, R-rated movie about the mafia. Totally NOT my cup of tea, and knowing its a genre I avoid and don't enjoy, I can safely deduce beforehand that with the taste I have, I am not missing out by avoiding these type of violent, non "family-friendly" movies about the darkest aspects of the "real world" that won't speak to my inner child. So, as far as whether Free Willy or The Godfather is a "better" movie is a relative question based on one's taste, and what they are looking for in a movie. So I think a better choice would have been to pick two movies in the same genre... like, say, Tangled and Princess and the Frog (both EXCELLENT, BTW )

However, getting back on topic, I think you do make a good point that it is best to see Remember... before passing judgement. As both Remember... and Wishes are both in the same genre, they can be fairly compared. I haven't seen it in person (YET!) but I have seen video and have the audio of Remember... on the lavish Disneyland 6 CD boxed set. It blew me away, certainly. And I liked that it was specifically about park attractions. AWESOME show!

HOWEVER, Wishes moves me EMOTIONALLY more than any fireworks show (at a Disney park or ANYWHERE), I've ever seen. The part where the forces of evil are defeated and Jiminy Cricket says "It's the Blue Fairy!", and then the Blue Fairy says "Remember, we must always believe in our Wishes, for they are the Magic in the world. Now, let's all put our hearts together, and make a Wish come true", moves me to tears, or at least goosebumps, nearly every single time - even after seeing it over a hundred times! (Like Steve said, I am surprised to see the dislike many have expressed for Wishes, but, as the saying goes, "To each their own")

So, due to the EMOTIONAL connection I feel for Wishes, I would be VERY SAD to see it go, although I would certainly enjoy Remember Dreams Come True on it's own terms. I am glad to hear that, for now, Wishes is safe and not leaving anytime soon!

Here is a link to an earlier post summing up the place Wishes has in my heart:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4206051&postcount=19

You can say that you enjoy Free Willy more, but without experiencing The Godfather (possibly one of the best movies ever made), you cannot possibly empirically compare it to anything else.

The Godfather is superior to Free Willy in many ways artistically, even if you don't enjoy the subject matter.

You sometimes have to look at attractions and shows the same way. For example, I'm not a rollercoaster person, but I will frequently ride once just to get a taste and be able to tell people about it.

 

[David S.]

You can say that you enjoy Free Willy more, but without experiencing The Godfather (possibly one of the best movies ever made), you cannot possibly empirically compare it to anything else.

The Godfather is superior to Free Willy in many ways artistically, even if you don't enjoy the subject matter.

You sometimes have to look at attractions and shows the same way. For example, I'm not a rollercoaster person, but I will frequently ride once just to get a taste and be able to tell people about it.

Well, I'm not going to argue about it; I was just pointing out that the comparison is like apples and oranges and which one will be "better" is in the eye of the beholder. If, for example, someone HATES slasher movies but LOVES Disney animation, they don't have to see a particular slasher movie to KNOW they won't like it as much as their favorite Disney Animated Classic, and that the Disney Animated Classic will be "better" in their eyes. As far as what is artistically "best", I believe VERY strongly that this is never a black and white universal truth; but from an existential point of view where each individual defines their OWN reality, so can Art have 30 different values and 30 different meanings for 30 different people. I majored in English Lit, and I HATED the pompous, self-important snobbery of a bunch of stuffed shirt, ivory tower, Academics deciding which books were "important" enough to be considered "canon", and which were considered minor or "unimportant". (I don't mean my professors specifically, I mean the hundreds-year-old collective "tradition" of academics deciding these things)

Thus, while in the eyes of most critics and film scholars The Godfather may be considered a "superior" film to Free Willy, no one can definitively state this as a universal truth that applies to ALL viewers. It ultimately just comes down to subjective individual opinion and tastes, and in my world, I'll pick Free Willy and other movies like it, EVERY time!

Now hopefully, we can get back to the topic of Wishes!