News Disney CEO Bob Chapek reiterates his belief that park reservations are now an essential part of Disney's theme parks business

flynnibus

Premium Member
The part that befuddles me, however was the (park) business was based and built its reputation on providing over the top customer service type experiences. So much so, they used to host lectures on “The Disney Way”

Yup, a point raised for the last 10+ years... but defenders would keep coming back with "well everybody else does..." etc without grasping the idea that Disney wasn't EVERYBODY ELSE was a huge part of their DNA that let them be bold and seen as unique. Now the drums of "its a business" have gotten what they want... leadership treating them like marks to optimize for the greatest yield until the lake dries up.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Chapek participated in a Q&A today at the Paley Center for Media’s International Council Summit in New York - here are a couple paragraphs from the article. More at the linked article below -

Chapek defended new pricing and reservations systems at theme parks developed during Covid while they were shut. They’ve helped manage attendance and improve the guest experience, but also generated some controversy. The old systems were antiquated “and treated everyone as one size fits all… We would wear it as a badge of courage,” he said. “The one thing that was clear is that people do not want to be treated the same,” he said. Some patrons are on a budget, others want a more “bespoke” experience.

He said virtual theme park visits are unlikely, even with the burgeoning metaverse. But some behind the scenes looks are possible. “People like to get off attractions and see exactly how those ghosts in the Haunted Mansion work. [They] say, ‘I want to check that out. It’s usually the reason why rides stop… We can give you that ability, to exit the theme park virtually and figure out what makes that tick.”

Then, when you’re watching Disney+, The Haunted Mansion movie will be served up as your first choice, not buried on page four.”


The first paragraph is all you need to read to know he truly doesn't get it. 🤦‍♂️
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
In layman's terms, he seems to be saying "we want to give people the best an experience that they can afford will pay a lot of money for."

FTFY. ;)

The picture he's painting is using a very broad brush. Treating everyone the same once they walked through the turnstyles was something that set Disney apart from the rest. It wasn't a bad thing. They didn't care how much money you had or didn't have, everyone was treated the same once they entered a park. And you were treated well. But some people didn't like that, for one reason or another (usually laziness or a feeling of entitlement, like most other things), and said, "My little Johnny and Susie deserve the bestest of everything and I'm willing to pay for it!!!". And here we are. The man is a clueless, crap-peddling clown who has no idea what Disney theme parks are about. How they existed before all these money-making schemes is an utter mystery to him. He's happy to cut costs to the bone while increasing prices to the skies and then proudly proclaim "revenue and profits have never been higher!".

I have zero doubt that there are plans drawn up somewhere that would monetize the park reservation system as well.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
B.C. is a despised knuckle dragger, yet the board wants him around because he is a lightning rod. The negativity / blame's strike at him and his cronies and not at the board or any members thereof with the only question being to the board, why do you not fire him? Well Duh! the B.C. money schemes bring in revenue and he gets the blame for dissatisfaction. Win, Win for the board. As expressed, before by another poster things will change "when people stop paying".
And now according to Chapek , “ small staff reductions “ ( aka layoffs ).
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
What do you want them to change in order to go back to treating everyone the same?
They could start by more park hours for everyone. Disneyland is open to midnight for everyone. Not just “deluxe resort” guests.

Opening up more viewing areas for all guests for fireworks would be nice too.

And then there is…. Genie+ which obviously needs to go so that everyone has the same opportunities in the park they paid up to $140 to enter.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
They could start by more park hours for everyone. Disneyland is open to midnight for everyone. Not just “deluxe resort” guests.

Opening up more viewing areas for all guests for fireworks would be nice too.

And then there is…. Genie+ which obviously needs to go so that everyone has the same opportunities in the park they paid up to $140 to enter.

I’d argue they never treated people the same because they’ve always offered a premium experience via Club 33 and VIP guides.

Club 33 and those who can afford VIP guides are still getting an experience far above the experience of those who use Genie, Disney has just created a new lower class that didn’t exist before.

It used to be the rich got the premium experience and everyone else got the normal experience, now the rich still get the best experience, the upper middle class get the normal experience, and the average joes get a poor experience.

Another example of Disneys progressive ideals at play. They talk a good game but don’t walk the walk.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
I’d argue they never treated people the same because they’ve always offered a premium experience via Club 33 and VIP guides.

Club 33 and those who can afford VIP guides are still getting an experience far above the experience of those who use Genie, Disney has just created a new lower class that didn’t exist before.

It used to be the rich got the premium experience and everyone else got the normal experience, now the rich still get the best experience, the upper middle class get the normal experience, and the average joes get a poor experience.

Another example of Disneys progressive ideals at play. They talk a good game but don’t walk the walk.
The entire point of Club 33 used to be that it was SECRET, not another generally advertised product. By and large the people using it were industry big shots and folks being wined and dined by the company, not wealthy day guests ducking in after riding Pirates.
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
The entire point of Club 33 used to be that it was SECRET, not another generally advertised product. By and large the people using it were industry big shots and folks being wined and dined by the company, not wealthy day guests ducking in after riding Pirates.
A not so "SECRET" secret designed to glean big $$$$ off of high-end customers / guests. The board and B.C. are more than happy to allow the not so "SECRET" Club 33 to be marketed to the folks that have a few extra $$$ for a different more reclusive experience at a Disney Property.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
A not so "SECRET" secret designed to glean big $$$$ off of high-end customers / guests. The board and B.C. are more than happy to allow the not so "SECRET" Club 33 to be marketed to the folks that have a few extra $$$ for a different more reclusive experience at a Disney Property.
No, Club 33 was not created for customers. It was for business partners. Even when membership was opened to the public it was not advertised, it was something one had to know about. Expanding and rather openly selling membership came much later.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
The entire point of Club 33 used to be that it was SECRET, not another generally advertised product. By and large the people using it were industry big shots and folks being wined and dined by the company, not wealthy day guests ducking in after riding Pirates.

This is how Club 33 still operates at Tokyo Disneyland.

It is for higher ranking staff of the park's various corporates sponsors.
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
No, Club 33 was not created for customers. It was for business partners. Even when membership was opened to the public it was not advertised, it was something one had to know about. Expanding and rather openly selling membership came much later.
Original concept maybe. Over the last 5 years there has been advertising, though I would not call it marketing, of Club 33 emphasizing its exclusivity plus price of membership. So, though not created for "customers" it evolved into something for a particular niche of high-end customers.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
The entire point of Club 33 used to be that it was SECRET, not another generally advertised product. By and large the people using it were industry big shots and folks being wined and dined by the company, not wealthy day guests ducking in after riding Pirates.
Prior to 2010 I’d agree, for the last decade + it’s been an exclusive experience for wealthy guests though.

The purpose of the club fundamentally changed when they decided to expand its size in DL and decided to export the concept to the other parks.

Corporate lounges don’t have the same return as thousands of 1%ers paying tens of thousands a year in membership dues.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Prior to 2010 I’d agree, for the last decade + it’s been an exclusive experience for wealthy guests though.

The purpose of the club fundamentally changed when they decided to expand its size in DL and decided to export the concept to the other parks.

Corporate lounges don’t have the same return as thousands of 1%ers paying tens of thousands a year in membership dues.
Yes. The entire point is over more then the last decade, Disney has been heavily stratifying the park experience, creating multiple classes of customers. The resorts used to cater to a very broad "middle class." Club 33 was not an example of stratifying the park experience because, until recently, it was not intended for guests and was kept largely sectet.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Eisner built a lot of half day parks. The current situation is very much a result of building parks as small as possible to count as a full day on a spreadsheet.

Someone should analyze how many billions have been spent on HKDL, WDSP and DCA since they opened vs how a few extra hundred million at each back then could have saved them time and money in the long run and probably generated better returns.
 

Rambozo

Well-Known Member
Eisner built a lot of half day parks. The current situation is very much a result of building parks as small as possible to count as a full day on a spreadsheet.

At least he gave us the beginning of something. All Chapek has done is raise prices and charge people money for things that were free.

It's been 24 years since Animal Kingdom opened, don't make excuse for him.
 

Rambozo

Well-Known Member
"In total, Eisner opened not 1, but 7 new Parks and experiences for Disney fans around the globe to enjoy. Eisner ran the company for thirty years before stepping down from his position in 2005."

MGM Studios
Animal Kingdom
Typhoon Lagoon
Blizzard Beach
Disney's California Adventure

etc, etc, etc
 
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