Disney buys 1000 acres of land

Kamikaze

Kamikaze

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mikejs78 said:
How did you arrive at this conclusion? 3 out of 4 WDW parks grew in attendance in 2017, and only DHS declined, and even then only by a little.

MK: +0.3%
Epcot: +4.2%
AK: +15.3%
DHS: -0.5%

So which parks did Pandora ciphon guests from?
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I said with DAK. Not Pandora.
In order for a new park to 'create' a day, it would have to draw basically the minimum of the other parks (so somewhere around 10 million as of 2017 numbers for a full year) without decreases in the other parks. This isn't what DAK did.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Kamikaze said:
I said with DAK. Not Pandora.
In order for a new park to 'create' a day, it would have to draw basically the minimum of the other parks (so somewhere around 10 million as of 2017 numbers for a full year) without decreases in the other parks. This isn't what DAK did.
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That is reflective in the doomsday number for new park development: by 1999 the average length of stay went from around 5.8 days to about 6.8 after dak opened...to this day it has never exceeded 7. In a nutshell - four parks are the ceiling. That is the size of the needed demographics and a reflection of the limits they place on travel.

So if they get 52,000,000 clicks now...the year they opened the 5th gate...they would HAVE to get 62,000,000-64,000,000 that year and post 5-10% gains for the following few to justify the cost and operational bump.

Seem possible?

It is not...there’s nowhere to put them, there’s no time to fit them in, and there’s not enough runaways to land them.

They will probably get to that number...but it can be more easily done with four parks and not ballooning expenses - which is all a public company cares about.
 
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TwilightZone

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MisterPenguin said:
I would think Nintendo lands, if done right, would be hugely successful like the Potter lands.

But, by the time they're built, WDW would have added six new E-Tickets to their parks plus some other new stuff not yet officially announced. WDW will still be way ahead. Rather than siphoning people from WDW, this theme park war is only going to increase Orlando tourism to new heights.

Barring an economic downturn...
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Mario land's attractions are way more technologically exciting than any of the six rides wdw has.
Even if mario kart has no ar, it has a presumably brand new ride system.
We also have the donkey kong country coaster that "jumps" in the air.
If I was an average guest I would choose mario land over tron coaster or gotg coaster simply by uniqueness alone.

The big downfall that orlando's version will have is that hollywood's and tokyo's versions are opening first due to the third park. It's main crowds will end up being locals or visitors to the third park. But I'm not sure how much this will harm it in the long run.
 
Stripes

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More than this land purchase, perhaps the biggest indication of Disney's plans for Orlando is the massive expansion of the DCP apartment complex. Right now, Disney has 1,580 apartment units for CMs (Mostly DCP). The new apartment complex will have 2,600 units. While it's likely that the new complex replaces at least some of the existing ones, even if they close all of them this is an increase of at least 1,020 new apartment units for Cast Members.

Is it definitive proof? No. But, it's another piece to the puzzle.
 
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DisneyCane

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larryz said:
You mean like the Dow dropping 3,000 points in just over two months?
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The stock market dropping doesn't mean the economy is slowing. The stock market has become a casino where they play a game that we don't know the rules to. Stock prices fluctuate drastically due to the actions of computer algorithms that react to patterns. The patterns become a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you convince enough investors that if Disney stock hits $110 it means it will drop to $50, it will drop to $50 regardless of company performance. Before algorithms you had to get humans convinced and people would question things. If the algorithms at a bunch of huge hedge funds has that rule programmed, it will happen even though it makes no sense.

That said, there will eventually be an economic slowdown. Economies are cyclical and don't grow forever so eventually there will be a recession and, it will probably be caused by a real estate crisis like 2008 since everything in real estate and lending seems to be repeating the same pattern of crazy prices and people getting mortgages they are at the brink of not being able to afford.
 
Magicart87

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PorterRedkey said:
Instead of a 5th gate I would take:

1) A new land for AK
I know AK just got Pandora, but the 20 year old park needs more attractions.

2) Expansion of Adventureland/Frontierland @ MK
An Adventureland expansion would balance the addition of the new Tron E-ticket and add space to a land that has been cramped by the addition of the Aladdin spinner.
A Frontierland addition that removes the dead end @BTRR would help with traffic flow and add capacity.

3) Add new counties to the World Showcase in Epcot
It has been over 25 years since we received a new pavilion. Nuff said.

4) Develop an Indy mini-land at DHS.
SW:GE will be so popular, DHS will need more attraction to handle the crowds.

5) Replace the shows at DHS.
These show have worn out their welcome. New show = new interest and shows are people eaters.

This are my top 5. However, I would also like a retracking of Space Mtn., a redo of Imagination, expansion of Kali, Yeti fix, CoP new scene, MK Theater, redo Fantasyland facades, new Epcot entrance (remove tombstones), Fantasmic refurb or new show, and a SW expansion (I know it hasn’t opened yet, but it will need it).

All of these things should be done (and more) before a 5th park is even considered.
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By 2026-ish most of this wishlist could be done.
Although for myself, I'd like to see a MM-type attraction in DHS, see a land connect between Frontierland and Liberty and at AK, Nemo nixed for something else. Overall, MK needs space to breath not more rides. The rest of the parks however need to play catch up with an effort to double their current attraction count.
 
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PorterRedkey

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Magicart87 said:
By 2026-ish most of this wishlist could be done.
Although for myself, I'd like to see a MM-type attraction in DHS, see a land connect between Frontierland and Liberty and at AK, Nemo nixed for something else. Overall, MK needs space to breath not more rides. The rest of the parks however need to play catch up with an effort to double their current attraction count.
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I think MK needs both. Adding attractions with a high HRC will add capacity, and make the paths seem less crowded. I understand new attractions, attract new interest and will draw more people to MK, but 2 new E-tickets, a new theater, and a few C ticket dark rides can spread the additional people throughout the park. I don’t think that only adding more paths is the answer, but I would welcome a path connecting FL and LS.

There is one problem. You have to build up the other 3 parks WHILE adding all the additions to MK. Otherwise, Epcot or AK will be the parks some people can skip (not me!).

Disney should have been updating the 3 other parks to help spread the crowds, now they are working on it , but they have about 10 years work to catch up to where they should be - given 2000-2010 was not a great time for the WDW parks.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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DisneyCane said:
The stock market dropping doesn't mean the economy is slowing. The stock market has become a casino where they play a game that we don't know the rules to. Stock prices fluctuate drastically due to the actions of computer algorithms that react to patterns. The patterns become a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you convince enough investors that if Disney stock hits $110 it means it will drop to $50, it will drop to $50 regardless of company performance. Before algorithms you had to get humans convinced and people would question things. If the algorithms at a bunch of huge hedge funds has that rule programmed, it will happen even though it makes no sense.

That said, there will eventually be an economic slowdown. Economies are cyclical and don't grow forever so eventually there will be a recession and, it will probably be caused by a real estate crisis like 2008 since everything in real estate and lending seems to be repeating the same pattern of crazy prices and people getting mortgages they are at the brink of not being able to afford.
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Agree with you. Though stocks are now at least and “canary” in the mine. When the big gamblers start cashing chips - they already know that it’s heading. The economy always goes down when that happens because it’s a convenient excuse to slash salaries and send stuff to whoever still sells sweatshops. It happens every time.

But the underlying problems are still the same: overleveraged real estate, no attention to the consumer credit and college debt bubbles, elimination of skilled labor.

PorterRedkey said:
Rise of the Resistance and Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railroad.
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Oh brother...
“Rise of the resistance”?? I had forgotten for a minute that they are doubling down on their bland nonsense...yoi

And by the way...those are just trackless, which is old technology now...it’s tough to decry them as “groundbreaking”...I think fligjt of passage is more likely to still be a higher quality ride when those open.
 

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