Disney and Universal working on Marvel deal for Florida?

[DVCOwner]

Something will happen in the next 3-5 years. Universal will open an Avengers attraction.

You may be 100% right and only time will tell. If you would have told me a few years ago that Disney would have control of Marvel and Star Wars, I would not have believed you. I think Disney paid way to much to get back some of the rights to Oswald the Ribbit, but they did it anyway. I just do not know what is going to happen with all of the consolidation in the entertainment area.

 

[DVCOwner]

If you think that then I'd go buy some pesto bismol real quick. At least a 3-5 year supply

I am surly not going to get an upset stomach one way or another; so I will pass on the Pepto-Bismol.

 

[danlb_2000]

You may be 100% right and only time will tell. If you would have told me a few years ago that Disney would have control of Marvel and Star Wars, I would not have believed you. I think Disney paid way to much to get back some of the rights to Oswald the Ribbit, but they did it anyway. I just do not know what is going to happen with all of the consolidation in the entertainment area.

It's hard to compare this to Oswald. They didn't have to put out any cash to get Oswald back, and he wasn't earning them much if anything while Universal had the rights.

 

[seascape]

You may be 100% right and only time will tell. If you would have told me a few years ago that Disney would have control of Marvel and Star Wars, I would not have believed you. I think Disney paid way to much to get back some of the rights to Oswald the Ribbit, but they did it anyway. I just do not know what is going to happen with all of the consolidation in the entertainment area.

Disney got Oswald for free. NBC wanted an announcer who was under contract to ABC and in order to be allowed to sign him they gave up Oswald. Oswald for Michael's, that was one great win for Disney.

 

[misterID]

I am surly not going to get an upset stomach one way or another; so I will pass on the Pepto-Bismol.

Really, Disney hasn't shown any desire that I can tell to put Marvel in any Florida theme park. I don't think it's as big of a deal to them as it is to some of the Disney fans who want it. Seeing how they treat WDW, or at least the way they unfortunately view it, they aren't going to pay all the money it would take to buy back the rights just to put MARVEL in WDW. Why should they? They're making a nice little profit with UNIs MARVEL merch sales, they don't have to spend money on attractions that they seem not to be inclined to build. It's kind of a win-win. They can do nothing and still make money. I still don't see what Disney gains by spending the bread to NOT do anything with it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Even if Disney obsessively wanted Marvel at Walt Disney World it is not their call. There is no buyout clause.

 

[seascape]

You are absolutely correct. If Universal wants to keep the rights in Orlando, they can and there is nothing Disney can do about it. However, Universal can't cause any confusion with the characters. Therefore Disney can prevent Universal from advertising any Marvel characters anywhere outside of the eastern United States. That would include advertising any Marvel attractions in any of Universal's other parks once Disney has Marvel characters in use in their other parks and resorts. Both sides have to abide by the contract and Disney has the rights and obligation to protect the use of the characters in the rest of the world. Now I think the best solution would be for Universal to get the worldwide rights to Spiderman so Universal can reproduce their best Orlando Ride around the world in exchange for the rest of the Marvel rights. That would be a fair and reasonable resolution. However, what I think is fair and reasonable others may not but no one can deny Disney has complete control of any and all use of Marvel characters outside of the eastern U.S. and that would include any and all advertising using Marvel characters.

 

[Mike S]

You are absolutely correct. If Universal wants to keep the rights in Orlando, they can and there is nothing Disney can do about it. However, Universal can't cause any confusion with the characters. Therefore Disney can prevent Universal from advertising any Marvel characters anywhere outside of the eastern United States. That would include advertising any Marvel attractions in any of Universal's other parks once Disney has Marvel characters in use in their other parks and resorts. Both sides have to abide by the contract and Disney has the rights and obligation to protect the use of the characters in the rest of the world. Now I think the best solution would be for Universal to get the worldwide rights to Spiderman so Universal can reproduce their best Orlando Ride around the world in exchange for the rest of the Marvel rights. That would be a fair and reasonable resolution. However, what I think is fair and reasonable others may not but no one can deny Disney has complete control of any and all use of Marvel characters outside of the eastern U.S. and that would include any and all advertising using Marvel characters.

No need to try to get the worldwide rights to Spider-Man since the only Uni parks that don't have it (Hollywood and Singapore) have Transformers instead. It does exist in Japan though.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Make it three, I know everything logical points to Marvell staying at Universal but I feel something is going to happen in the next 3 to 5 years. I know that there is nothing to back this up, still my gut tells me I am right on this one.

And Universal will do what with Spiderman when this happens?

 

[Tony Perkis]

Disney got Oswald for free. NBC wanted an announcer who was under contract to ABC and in order to be allowed to sign him they gave up Oswald. Oswald for Michael's, that was one great win for Disney.

Yeah. Epic Mickey was such a masterpiece. /s

 

[Mike S]

Yeah. Epic Mickey was such a masterpiece. /s

I liked the first one. The second one flat out sucked though.

 

[DVCOwner]

And Universal will do what with Spiderman when this happens?

Make it something else.

 

[danlb_2000]

You are absolutely correct. If Universal wants to keep the rights in Orlando, they can and there is nothing Disney can do about it. However, Universal can't cause any confusion with the characters. Therefore Disney can prevent Universal from advertising any Marvel characters anywhere outside of the eastern United States. That would include advertising any Marvel attractions in any of Universal's other parks once Disney has Marvel characters in use in their other parks and resorts. Both sides have to abide by the contract and Disney has the rights and obligation to protect the use of the characters in the rest of the world. Now I think the best solution would be for Universal to get the worldwide rights to Spiderman so Universal can reproduce their best Orlando Ride around the world in exchange for the rest of the Marvel rights. That would be a fair and reasonable resolution. However, what I think is fair and reasonable others may not but no one can deny Disney has complete control of any and all use of Marvel characters outside of the eastern U.S. and that would include any and all advertising using Marvel characters.

Where did you see that Universal can't advertise outside of the eastern United States?

 

[lazyboy97o]

You are absolutely correct. If Universal wants to keep the rights in Orlando, they can and there is nothing Disney can do about it. However, Universal can't cause any confusion with the characters. Therefore Disney can prevent Universal from advertising any Marvel characters anywhere outside of the eastern United States. That would include advertising any Marvel attractions in any of Universal's other parks once Disney has Marvel characters in use in their other parks and resorts. Both sides have to abide by the contract and Disney has the rights and obligation to protect the use of the characters in the rest of the world. Now I think the best solution would be for Universal to get the worldwide rights to Spiderman so Universal can reproduce their best Orlando Ride around the world in exchange for the rest of the Marvel rights. That would be a fair and reasonable resolution. However, what I think is fair and reasonable others may not but no one can deny Disney has complete control of any and all use of Marvel characters outside of the eastern U.S. and that would include any and all advertising using Marvel characters.

Universal is required to advertise per the contract...

 

[marni1971]

Now I think the best solution would be for Universal to get the worldwide rights to Spiderman so Universal can reproduce their best Orlando Ride around the world ..... no one can deny Disney has complete control of any and all use of Marvel characters outside of the eastern U.S. and that would include any and all advertising using Marvel characters.

For the record, Japan is outside of the United States.

 

[seascape]

Universal is required to advertise per the contract...

Universal has the rights to use Marvel East of the Mississippi and only east of the Mississippi and as you state is required to advertise east of the Mississippi. Advertising outside the region is not required. Since Disney will be using the Marvel Characters in the western US, China and Europe and in Japan after the contract their ends in the late 2020's it would be confusing for two companies to advertise the same characters. Do you think any court would rule that it is okay for that confusion to exist? Better yet, since this would all be decided under US law by a New York Arbitrator do you think Universal would want to risk losing the rights for Orlando just to advertise outside of the eastern US? Marvel clearly owns the rights to their characters and it clearly established law that is they do not protect those rights they lose them and they become public domain. Disney is well aware of this and so is Universal. Now that both companies will be using the same characters it is critical that they both reach a reasonable solution to how this is done or Disney will have no choice but to limit Universal to just east of the Mississippi where their rights exist. Universal will someday either come to the conclusion its better to just give up all the Marvel rights or come to a reasonable resolution soon. Universal is tied to HP, the Simpsons, and other characters. Universal does not need Marvel anymore but if they want to keep them in Orlando they can but they have to follow the law and contract. They are limited to the use and only to the areas stated in the contract.

 

[Skip]

Universal has the rights to use Marvel East of the Mississippi and only east of the Mississippi and as you state is required to advertise east of the Mississippi. Advertising outside the region is not required. Since Disney will be using the Marvel Characters in the western US, China and Europe and in Japan after the contract their ends in the late 2020's it would be confusing for two companies to advertise the same characters. Do you think any court would rule that it is okay for that confusion to exist? Better yet, since this would all be decided under US law by a New York Arbitrator do you think Universal would want to risk losing the rights for Orlando just to advertise outside of the eastern US? Marvel clearly owns the rights to their characters and it clearly established law that is they do not protect those rights they lose them and they become public domain. Disney is well aware of this and so is Universal. Now that both companies will be using the same characters it is critical that they both reach a reasonable solution to how this is done or Disney will have no choice but to limit Universal to just east of the Mississippi where their rights exist. Universal will someday either come to the conclusion its better to just give up all the Marvel rights or come to a reasonable resolution soon. Universal is tied to HP, the Simpsons, and other characters. Universal does not need Marvel anymore but if they want to keep them in Orlando they can but they have to follow the law and contract. They are limited to the use and only to the areas stated in the contract.

Oh Lord, you're back.

Don't feed the troll guys. This is the guy who was convinced Universal's hold on Marvel was screwed.

As long as Uni isn't claiming in its ads that the characters are in Disney parks, there won't be any confusion.

 

[Hakunamatata]

For the record, Japan is outside of the United States.

I was in Japan no more than ten minutes ago enjoying one of these and I assure you it was in Florida.

 

[marni1971]

Teehee.

 

[seascape]

Oh Lord, you're back.

Don't feed the troll guys. This is the guy who was convinced Universal's hold on Marvel was screwed.

As long as Uni isn't claiming in its ads that the characters are in Disney parks, there won't be any confusion.

I never said or implied Universal's hold was screwed. I have said and will continue to say it is not in their interest to keep the rights. You will see that either something gets worked out soon that is reasonable for both sides or that in the future Universal will come to the conclusion its better to just give them up. After all they only have the rights in Orlando and if they get Star Trek and other rights they need a place to put them in Orlando. With Nintendo and everything else they have they do not need the Marvel rights. HP is being built in every Universal Park. If they get Star Trek you can be sure they would build it in Orlando and California. It does not make sense for Universal to only have Marvel in Orlando. If they could go back in time I am sure they would have built Marvel in California and kept the rights around the world but they didn't. It is too late now to change what mistakes were made in the past. Universal will decide what they want and only they will decide that because both sides have to follow the contract and both sides will as long as Universal wants it that way.