Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[BrianLo]

Right, that’s it—I’m blocking you! “Go the Distance” absolutely deserves the airtime it gets! The entire Hercules soundtrack is awesome (except, perhaps, Phil’s song).

No, no, you mistake me. I love the song.

Just saying it wasn't really the most popular movie at the time, but seems to be quickly becoming a parks entertainment staple.

 

[LittleBuford]

No, no, you mistake me. I love the song.

Just saying it wasn't really the most popular movie at the time, but seems to be quickly becoming a parks entertainment staple.

Don’t worry, even if you didn’t love the song, you’re safe from my wrath!

 

[BrianLo]

Don’t worry, even if you didn’t love the song, you’re safe from my wrath!

I know we're not allowed to like live action remakes... but I kind of support that one.

 

[LittleBuford]

I know we're not allowed to like live action remakes... but I kind of support that one.

I kind of agree. I’m excited to see the stage musical too!

 

[Agent H]

OK… T2 and Aliens are two of the five or so best action films ever made. Pure masterpieces. True Lies is tons of fun.

I actually dislike Titanic and loathe Avatar but Cameron is still one of the best pop film directors of all time.

Never seen those

 

[CaptJackSparrow]

From what I hear there was no interest in the outdated IP and the movie they chose to make wasn’t that good.

Outdated IP. Like Happily Ever After, Snow White and the Huntsman, Cinderella, Into the Woods etc….

I personally think it would have done pretty well had it been released before 2020. It’s not a bad film in the larger context of the remakes.

why do you think this?

Not to pick a fight and be obstinate, Cap 4 is absolutely limping, but probably has a negligible loss at the end of the day. If Deadline is to be believed it’s currently kind of under a 10-15 million loss, as of now.

I don’t want to call it break even because there’s too much ideology here for that. But that seems about where it’s landing from the data I can gather.

That’s good? But I don’t think TWDC is interested in sorta breaking even while tying up 300m over 3-5 years.

 

[LittleBuford]

why do you think this?

Because it's no worse than some of the remakes that made more than a billion. I prefer it to Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, and it's far, far better than The Lion King.

 

[Disney Irish]

Outdated IP. Like Happily Ever After, Snow White and the Huntsman, Cinderella, Into the Woods etc….

Of those you listed, only Cinderella did well comparatively.

That’s good? But I don’t think TWDC is interested in sorta breaking even while tying up 300m over 3-5 years.

Based on where it started, yeah that is pretty good that is the point. Which would give Disney a sigh of relief even if no one is cheering over it.

 

[Chi84]

Outdated IP. Like Happily Ever After, Snow White and the Huntsman, Cinderella, Into the Woods etc….

why do you think this?

That’s good? But I don’t think TWDC is interested in sorta breaking even while tying up 300m over 3-5 years.

This wasn’t that.

But yes, times are different.

 

[Agent H]

Right, that’s it—I’m blocking you! “Go the Distance” absolutely deserves the airtime it gets! The entire Hercules soundtrack is awesome (except, perhaps, Phil’s song).

Don’t worry, even if you didn’t love the song, you’re safe from my wrath!

There was…blood in the pram.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Snow White has a 1.5 on IMDB. That makes it one of the worst rated movies of all time.

But there’s no hate campaign.

 

[Agent H]

Because it's no worse than some of the remakes that made more than a billion. I prefer it to Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, and it's far, far better than The Lion King.

Anything would be better than the lion king.

 

[Chi84]

Snow White has a 1.5 on IMDB. That makes it one of the worst rated movies of all time.

But there’s no hate campaign.

I feel sorry for people who don’t give it a chance.

 

[LittleBuford]

I feel sorry for people who don’t give it a chance.

It's fine if people don't want to give it a chance, but I'll never understand what leads to behaviours like review-bombing.

 

[Agent H]

It's fine if people don't want to give it a chance, but I'll never understand what leads to behaviours like review-bombing.

Unfortunately I know exactly what leads to behaviors like review bombing. And it isn’t pretty.

 

[DKampy]

It's fine if people don't want to give it a chance, but I'll never understand what leads to behaviours like review-bombing.

It is very bizarre behavior…. Why someone wastes so much time and energy on something that gives them no joy

 

[Agent H]

It is very bizarre behavior…. Why someone wastes so much time and energy on something that given them no joy

The people who do that sort of thing have no true joy in their lives. If they weren’t the worst of humanity I’d feel bad for them.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I struggle to be convinced by the idea that this stuff gained traction in all the international markets where the film is performing just as badly. I'm sure the controversies and issues haven't helped matters (the leaked production photos in particular seem to have painted the project in an unflattering light), but I don't its chances of being a blockbuster would have been much better had others been cast in the role(s) played by Zegler and/or Gadot.

The comments about Rachel (not about her words) come from all over the world - to the point I’m suspicious of some of the profiles being real - but the reason she and Hailey were targeted is not unique to America. I’m even surprised to see people from Latin countries with what seem to be Latino surnames complaining she isn’t white.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

To say it would have been less is something that is unprovable. We don't know how people we have reacted. There could have been even more blow-back for all we know. Dinklage might have been able to garner enough support for this cause that it started a whole storm of blow-back against Disney. Them trying to be respectful even if the outcome wasn't ideal for everyone in the community is probably the best they could have hoped for. Basically they were damned if they do and damned if they don't.

But you're right it doesn't matter at this point. I think this mental exercise of trying to say xyz would have cause this film to be less of a bomb is not fruitful. Any number of things done "right" or an approximation of "right" and it still could have been the same outcome.

For as critical of a property as this is for the Studio, this is probably just one remake they didn't need to do. And I say that as someone who actually thought it was ok, not great, just ok.

I’d say it was more bad timing than a bad idea.

 

[erasure fan1]

Yes, 50/50 is two halves.

Look, this has to be faux outrage. There's no way I'm going to believe that normal adults care this much whether a twenty-something actor hates them or not. I just don't buy it.

That's just it, it's not outrage. You frame it as if everyone is running around with pitchforks and torches. It's a lot simpler than that. It's indifference. Example, I thought what will Smiths slap was disgusting. I won't ever see a Smith movie in a theater again. It's simple, it doesn't mesh with my values so I just ignore what he does. And to think that's not happened with Zegler, is a bit naive in my opinion. It's easy to not support people you don't like. And you don't even need to be outraged.

I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted when its really less than a quarter.

Hah! Pot meet kettle. The guy who always has to interject when people use their own numbers, comes out with this Gem. Where's this data that says over 3/4 of people support the other side? Just like the analogy post, if you are going to lecture, please play by your own rules.