Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Yep…that “rage campaign” took down an otherwise bad, compeletely forgettable movie that was as easy to guess as who this weeks scooby doo villian is
The network always wins
Poor Disney
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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The network always wins
Poor Disney
Chi84
Premium Member
From what I hear there was no interest in the outdated IP and the movie they chose to make wasn’t that good.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I was talking about trusting Disney to always deliver on quality. As the poster I was responding to himself noted, Disney has had good runs and bad throughout its history. It’s not as if everything they produced was top-notch before 2020.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I personally think it would have done pretty well had it been released before 2020. It’s not a bad film in the larger context of the remakes.
Exactly this….the people upset choose their battles to prove everyone agrees with their narrative…. Every film they hate on is apparent it will not do well even without the controversies
Chi84
Premium Member
Kids have changed too. I have a 4 year old granddaughter and a 5 year old grandson and they are both excited about the Minecraft movie. Not a word about Snow White even though they saw the ads.
Even if I did believe that Zegler was influential enough to control people's actions to the extent claimed, she insulted a bunch of people who were already on record as hating the film for other reasons. The prince doesn't save her stuff along with some nonsense too depressing to mention.
Casper Gutman
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Disney and ABC hit with FCC investigation over DEI policies | CNN Business
The Federal Communications Commission is investigating ABC and its parent company Disney over its diversity, equity and inclusion actions, FCC Chair Brendan Carr announced Friday.
amp.cnn.com
So the federal government is now directly targeting Disney through the FCC.
Seems like Iger’s cringing appeasement on multiple fronts didn’t work.
This will, of course, have a chilling effect on all future Disney productions.
But we should probably keep obsessing over a 23 year olds social media posts.
BrianLo
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A lot of confusion here because there are three different things being cited, not two.
296.4 million was the total the UK production had rang up by the end of 2023. That number ultimately does not have the credit or overhead removed and the movie wasn’t even done yet.
270M is the figure from Deadline that has the tax credit and overhead/interest removed from it. Typically 99% of movies we google or find on the numbers are reported this way. You can assume they actually spent another 100M dollars from the 2023 figure based on that.
Brook Barnes just posted a number that seems to be a weird amalgamation of 270 (tax credit and interest/overhead removed) + 80 million marketing. Seems too low to me. Hence ‘at least’
Final all in costs will be, as I’ve said, likely more towards 450 million. Production 375 (~325 + interest and overhead ~50) + marketing (surely more than 80, more like 100-125) - tax credit (~50M) + residuals and distribution (~25).
All the figures above are various shades of correct, but entirely different contexts.
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LittleBuford
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A few questions for those saying they refuse to see a film starring someone who’s expressed ideological disdain for them: Do you plan to extend this principle to future Avatar instalments in light of James Cameron’s similarly strong views in this regard? If not, can you explain why you would take a different approach in his case?
I can’t recall any other film that people claimed to be boycotting based on the political views of one of its lead actors. Perhaps there are examples out there that I’m overlooking, but I’m genuinely at a loss to think of one.
I can’t recall any other film that people claimed to be boycotting based on the political views of one of its lead actors. Perhaps there are examples out there that I’m overlooking, but I’m genuinely at a loss to think of one.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I agree the movie had potential… bad timing, bad script, bad casting, bad marketing, too soon, etc we can argue til the end of time but I don’t buy the argument people don’t care about Snow White anymore, Once Upon a Time largely revolved around Snow and was an insanely popular TV show less than a decade ago, Snow White and the Huntsman made $400 million in 2012 ($550 million inflation adjusted)… the source material is still relevant, for whatever reason this version just missed.
BrianLo
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Not to pick a fight and be obstinate, Cap 4 is absolutely limping, but probably has a negligible loss at the end of the day. If Deadline is to be believed it’s currently kind of under a 10-15 million loss, as of now.
I don’t want to call it break even because there’s too much ideology here for that. But that seems about where it’s landing from the data I can gather.
I don’t want to call it break even because there’s too much ideology here for that. But that seems about where it’s landing from the data I can gather.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
That reminds me. What was the exact terms of our bet @MagicMouseFan?
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I actually mean the movie as it currently stands would have done OK, perhaps even well, had it been released before 2020. The box office has thrown up many weird surprises in the past half-decade; in the more predictable pre-pandemic age, I really think Snow White in its current form would have been much more favourably received by the public.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
Close enough, a couple million one way or the other isn’t going to make or break Disney, $100 million or more matters though, even for a company the size of Disney.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
Maybe, being made in a time of smaller budgets, better box office results, and less divisiveness definitely wouldn’t have hurt, I still think a Snow White movie, without the outside noise, would have fallen in line with similar remakes (Cinderella), even in 2025. Unfortunately well never known beyond pure speculation.
BrianLo
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Yup! Snow on the other hand is a big ol’ flop. One of those aforementioned 9 figure losers.
TP2000
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We aren't discussing California's GDP, we're discussing the overall health and growth rate, or lack thereof of California's economy. And the LA economy is notably weaker than the already weak California economy.
California currently has the second highest unemployment rate in the nation at 5.4%, with LA's unemployment rate even higher at 5.8%. And the office and retail vacancy rates in the city of Los Angeles, particularly on the normally affluent west side of town and around Holllywood, is way too high and rising higher. On top of that statistical problems, the city of LA is running a current budget deficit of $1 Billion and wants money from the state that has a state budget deficit of $68 Billion.
Downtown LA’s downturn: What’s behind the business exodus? | Press Play
Today, about one-third of office space in downtown LA sits empty. It’s a far cry from the once-booming real estate market in the city’s urban core. Why?
www.kcrw.com
In short, things are lousy in "Hollywood" right now. Which is why all of those media stories on the lousy LA economy have been written by various news outlets. But it's not discussing GDP.
Because they really do live in a bubble. They think this type of product is what the audience wants for some bizarre reason. I used to know a few folks like that when I lived in SoCal, friends of friends really, and it was fascinating how out of touch they could be with middle America. They truly just don't get it, and no one they know ever tells them they're wrong.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Great clarification and background, thank you!
In this thread the past week or so I've been using the assumption that Snow White had a production budget of $250 Million and a marketing budget of $100 Million. The production budget of $250 was an obvious lowball in my mind, but until we get the next update from the British tax authorities I thought it was best to really lowball it just to prevent people from freaking out over yet another thing.
But if I'm reading that info above right, it looks like your math shows it heading to a after tax credit total of $325 Million production and $100 Million marketing? After the yearlong delay and obvious CGI work, I think that seems about right.
What a mess Burbank made for itself on this one! I wonder if, in hindsight, they think they should have just buried it on a Disney+ release and forgotten all about it.
BrianLo
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In this thread the past week or so I've been using the assumption that Snow White had a production budget of $250 Million and a marketing budget of $100 Million. The production budget of $250 was an obvious lowball in my mind, but until we get the next update from the British tax authorities I thought it was best to really lowball it just to prevent people from freaking out over yet another thing.
But if I'm reading that info above right, it looks like your math shows it heading to a after tax credit total of $325 Million production and $100 Million marketing? After the yearlong delay and obvious CGI work, I think that seems about right.
Sorry an after tax credit of 270. There's interest and overhead also baked into those UK figures as well and they are weirdly reported and we never include those in any other movie we typically talk about.
I certainly think you should be using 270 now, not 250. Deadline reported 270 most recently.
LittleBuford
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This got me thinking. If, as has been claimed, Zegler’s comments are keeping half the country away, why is the other half not showing up either?