MoonRakerSCM
Well-Known Member
Theres no doubt this was a combination of issues culminating in this disaster.
As dumb as it sounds, you're 100% right.Iger will be walking on water with the fandom shortly after he leaves.
Sounds a lot like what happened with Eisner after he left….It’s shocking to me how easily Perlmutter was able to rewrite his narrative. I’m not specifically trying to target you, just using it as a jumping off point.
I have almost no nice things to say about him and he had a really awful record in his position. He was controlling, arrogant and toxic amongst several other adjectives. Including just being generally a bad steward of the brand.
Based on how quickly people get retroactively sainted, I’m sure we’ll have individuals calling for Paul Pressler for CEO soon enough.
To the many posters who dislike Iger, be afraid of people like Perlmutter turning around their narrative in 5 years. Iger will be walking on water with the fandom shortly after he leaves.
I still think Disney has a Burbank bubble problem, they are surrounded by like minded people so they think thats how everyone thinks. The echo chamber needs more dissenting voices to say “that’s not going to go over well in middle America”, or “that’s not going to work with the Asian market”, without those voices the movies they make appeal to a far smaller audience than they need to to be profitable.
Disney has always pushed the boundaries, and I think they’ll continue to push them, but I think they’ve misjudged where the boundaries actually are, SoCal is far more progressive than the world is so if they’re making movies for the SoCal mindset they’re severely limiting their audience.
People celebrated when Perlmutter was forced out but the reality is they need more Perlmutters in the room to speak the realities of the world.
You just now decided that's very important after all the other purely AI posts you've made?I think what’s important… and this is very important…
You must let everyone know the prompt used.
You aren't doing a "deep dive". You're giving an AI tool a short prompt and posting its output verbatim, with no commentary of your own and, I can only assume, no time spent verifying that any of the facts it spit out weren't merely hallucinated.Exactly, I’m the opposite. I find it fascinating and love doing deep dives.
Technically I think it’s the last remnant of the short Chapek era… so maybe Bob Chapeks Snow White would be most accurate.![]()
I know you’re joking but people are more likely to be in the Gideons bake house virtual queue.I gotta say, Snow is filling theaters at Disney Springs
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Folks are probably killing time until their 6:45 PM Lighting lane return time![]()
their traditional mission statement of making movies for American families with small children
Good lord if it's not for families with small children, who is it for?Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?
You're going to respond with box office prattle about how it's a flop, etc.... So sure, it's not connecting with the masses. But in what way is the content of the movie not made for the audience you have identified?
Hate is a strong word.Foreigners must also be controlled by the Hate NetworkTM that's being run out of a few podcast studios in the Midwest.![]()
Good lord if it's not for families with small children, who is it for?
If you know the answer will be "prattle" (and I foresee a 100% chance of that) why ask the question?
Sounds a lot like what happened with Eisner after he left….
Eisner drove Disney Animation to the ground. Sabotaged theatrical films like Treasure Planet and had Disney Toons make cheap sequels that devalued hand drawn animation, worse he released some of them in theaters and that severely damaged Disney's brand.That actually took at least five years, if not a decade. There were a lot of bad vibes around Eisner when he departed against his will. And he was persona non grata in Burbank for several years afterward.
But a decade later, by 2015, his legacy had restored itself just a bit.
Yeah I know. I was pointing out how fickle people are sometimes. They hate someone’s guts and then decide years later that they actually weren’t that bad. The point I’m making is that it’s more nuanced than that. In the case of both Eisner and Iger.That actually took at least five years, if not a decade. There were a lot of bad vibes around Eisner when he departed against his will. And he was persona non grata in Burbank for several years afterward.
But a decade later, by 2015, his legacy had restored itself just a bit.
Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?
You're going to respond with box office prattle about how it's a flop, etc.... So sure, it's not connecting with the masses. But in what way is the content of the movie not made for the audience you have identified.
Ok but none of that explains why it “ isn’t for families with small children”.Do I prattle? Oh, dear.
While they certainly didn't turn Snow White into a PG-13 raunchy teen movie, they didn't really stick to the original script for this PG (which is the new G for hilarious reasons) movie aimed at young girls.
Both starring actresses were given official Talking Points at 2022's D23 Expo explaining how this was no longer a "love story" and instead the Princess in the story was on a "leadership journey" to show her father she could be fair, brave and true. Was Ms. White going to give a TED Talk to the dwarves about that leadership journey, I wonder?
And she was not going to be saved by the Prince! Yuck! He's a stalker, and she doesn't need a man and he could be cut entirely from the movie. "That's Hollywood, baby!", as Miss Zegler smirked into the cameras at D23 Expo.
They appear to have taken this movie in a weird, soulless, HR-approved direction and rewrote the story. Or at least the version that was supposed to come out in 2023 was that version. Who knows what they added or cut after 15 months of editing and re-writes for its 2025 version? It's easy to imagine there was some panic in Burbank.
That's their right to do all that as a studio with a product they own, and which made their studio possible in the first place. But it's not really the romantic and Princessy story of Snow White as it's portrayed in the theme parks and previous media from Disney.
If they want to make a PG rated movie about an ancient girl who is on a leadership journey in her father's footsteps, go right ahead. But that's not what Snow White was, and whatever the heck they just did rewriting and reframing Snow White obviously didn't work with audiences.
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