Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[TP2000]

Technically I think it’s the last remnant of the short Chapek era… so maybe Bob Chapeks Snow White would be most accurate.

I agree. I'm of the optimistic opinion that this version of Snow White is the very last vestige of the financially disastrous Woke Era of movies from the early 2020's, mostly seen to fruition by the charmless and clueless Bob Chapek.

This Snow White flop should be the last piece of garbage to get purged out of the old pipes in Burbank, and hopefully they are already returning to their core audience and their traditional mission statement of making movies for American families with small children (WDAS, Walt Disney Pictures, Pixar) or teens and adults with disposable income and dates to entertain (Marvel, Lucasfilm, 20th Century).

Looking at that box office data above, it seems it could be a struggle for Snow White to get past $300 Million at the global box office. That obviously wasn't the plan when they budgeted this film at $250+ Million a few years ago.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I gotta say, Snow is filling theaters at Disney Springs

Folks are probably killing time until their 6:45 PM Lighting lane return time

 

[Agent H]

I gotta say, Snow is filling theaters at Disney Springs
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Folks are probably killing time until their 6:45 PM Lighting lane return time

I know you’re joking but people are more likely to be in the Gideons bake house virtual queue.

 

[brideck]

their traditional mission statement of making movies for American families with small children

Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?

You're going to respond with box office prattle about how it's a flop, etc.... So sure, it's not connecting with the masses. But in what way is the content of the movie not made for the audience you have identified?

 

[Chi84]

Clearly there are differing opinions on the usefulness of AI.

I think it's fine if you want a quick answer to something that has no consequences but that's about it.

I prefer not to read long AI generated text but unless it violates the TOS (and I think it's close) I can easily skip over it.

 

[Chi84]

Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?

You're going to respond with box office prattle about how it's a flop, etc.... So sure, it's not connecting with the masses. But in what way is the content of the movie not made for the audience you have identified?

Good lord if it's not for families with small children, who is it for?

If you know the answer will be "prattle" (and I foresee a 100% chance of that) why ask the question?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Foreigners must also be controlled by the Hate NetworkTM that's being run out of a few podcast studios in the Midwest.

Hate is a strong word.

For me its - I am not going to buy a ticket for this move instead I will wait till its "free" on Disney+ NetworkTM


PS. Boy those few Midwest podcasts must have a HUGE audience!!!!

 

[brideck]

Good lord if it's not for families with small children, who is it for?

If you know the answer will be "prattle" (and I foresee a 100% chance of that) why ask the question?

Well, I'm shamelessly hoping that by identifying the nature of the stock response ahead of time I'd get them to stop and think and provide a real answer, but if wishes were ponies...

 

[TP2000]

Sounds a lot like what happened with Eisner after he left….

That actually took at least five years, if not a decade. There were a lot of bad vibes around Eisner when he departed against his will. And he was persona non grata in Burbank for several years afterward.

But a decade later, by 2015, his legacy had restored itself just a bit.

 

[Farerb]

That actually took at least five years, if not a decade. There were a lot of bad vibes around Eisner when he departed against his will. And he was persona non grata in Burbank for several years afterward.

But a decade later, by 2015, his legacy had restored itself just a bit.

Eisner drove Disney Animation to the ground. Sabotaged theatrical films like Treasure Planet and had Disney Toons make cheap sequels that devalued hand drawn animation, worse he released some of them in theaters and that severely damaged Disney's brand.

Roy Disney is what saved Disney for a short time until he died, he was the only one who still cared about Disney's legacy. Disney Animation benefited until 2016 thanks to Musker and Clements but after they left, it all went downhill.

 

[Agent H]

That actually took at least five years, if not a decade. There were a lot of bad vibes around Eisner when he departed against his will. And he was persona non grata in Burbank for several years afterward.

But a decade later, by 2015, his legacy had restored itself just a bit.

Yeah I know. I was pointing out how fickle people are sometimes. They hate someone’s guts and then decide years later that they actually weren’t that bad. The point I’m making is that it’s more nuanced than that. In the case of both Eisner and Iger.

 

[TP2000]

Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?

You're going to respond with box office prattle about how it's a flop, etc.... So sure, it's not connecting with the masses. But in what way is the content of the movie not made for the audience you have identified.

Do I prattle? Oh, dear.

While they certainly didn't turn Snow White into a PG-13 raunchy teen movie, they didn't really stick to the original script for this PG (which is the new G for hilarious reasons) movie aimed at young girls.

Both starring actresses were given official Talking Points at 2022's D23 Expo explaining how this was no longer a "love story" and instead the Princess in the story was on a "leadership journey" to show her father she could be fair, brave and true. Was Ms. White going to give a TED Talk to the dwarves about that leadership journey, I wonder?

And she was not going to be saved by the Prince! Yuck! He's a stalker, and she doesn't need a man and he could be cut entirely from the movie. "That's Hollywood, baby!", as Miss Zegler smirked into the cameras at D23 Expo.

They appear to have taken this movie in a weird, HR-approved direction and rewrote the story. Or at least the version that was supposed to come out in 2023 was that version. Who knows what they added or cut after 15 months of editing and re-writes for its 2025 version? It's easy to imagine there was some panic in Burbank.

That's their right to do all that as a studio with a product they own, and which made their studio possible in the first place. But it's not really the romantic and Princessy story of Snow White as it's portrayed in the theme parks and previous media from Disney.

If they want to make a PG rated movie about an ancient girl who is on a leadership journey in her father's footsteps, go right ahead. But that's not what Snow White was, and whatever the heck they just did rewriting and reframing Snow White obviously didn't work with family audiences both here and overseas.

 

[Agent H]

Do I prattle? Oh, dear.

While they certainly didn't turn Snow White into a PG-13 raunchy teen movie, they didn't really stick to the original script for this PG (which is the new G for hilarious reasons) movie aimed at young girls.

Both starring actresses were given official Talking Points at 2022's D23 Expo explaining how this was no longer a "love story" and instead the Princess in the story was on a "leadership journey" to show her father she could be fair, brave and true. Was Ms. White going to give a TED Talk to the dwarves about that leadership journey, I wonder?

And she was not going to be saved by the Prince! Yuck! He's a stalker, and she doesn't need a man and he could be cut entirely from the movie. "That's Hollywood, baby!", as Miss Zegler smirked into the cameras at D23 Expo.

They appear to have taken this movie in a weird, soulless, HR-approved direction and rewrote the story. Or at least the version that was supposed to come out in 2023 was that version. Who knows what they added or cut after 15 months of editing and re-writes for its 2025 version? It's easy to imagine there was some panic in Burbank.

That's their right to do all that as a studio with a product they own, and which made their studio possible in the first place. But it's not really the romantic and Princessy story of Snow White as it's portrayed in the theme parks and previous media from Disney.

If they want to make a PG rated movie about an ancient girl who is on a leadership journey in her father's footsteps, go right ahead. But that's not what Snow White was, and whatever the heck they just did rewriting and reframing Snow White obviously didn't work with audiences.

Ok but none of that explains why it “ isn’t for families with small children”.

 

[TP2000]

Ok but none of that explains why it “ isn’t for families with small children”.

It's not the traditional Princess movie any more. It's become a Leadership Journey story, apparently.

A parent could easily take their 8 year old daughter to this PG rated movie, but few seem to be doing that.

The mass market of families with small children doesn't seem to exist for this new version of Snow White.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Trivia question: In what way is the current movie not one for families with small children?

Snow is absolutely for small children.

The question is, does the parent want to pay for tickets for themself and their children to watch Snow?

 

[brideck]

It's not the traditional Princess movie any more.

I guess I missed the memo that stated that only traditional Princess movies were for "families with small children."

 

[TP2000]

Good lord if it's not for families with small children, who is it for?

I imagine that's the question Burbank execs are asking themselves this weekend after it flopped.

Who did they make this movie for exactly? And at $250+ Million, no less! Because no one really showed up for it.

 

[LittleBuford]

I only offer up the latest box office data and facts here, I don't discuss the plots of movies I have never seen.

A reminder of this poster’s stated position (which he’s reiterated multiple times despite continually doing exactly what he claims not to do).

 

[Disney Irish]

I guess I missed the memo that stated that only traditional Princess movies were for "families with small children."

Not only that, but how is it not a “traditional” princess movie just because additional story beats were added?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Where is the attempt to rehabilitate and champion Perlmutter coming from? It certainly isn’t coming from film or comic fans or historians. Is it just political? Is there some YouTube commentator pushing it?