Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[TP2000]

My initial reply to you was deleted, so let me try again:

Really? That seems silly. You are one of the most mature and polite posters here. I can't imagine you going off the rails. The way things disappear sometimes here continues to baffle me, but here I am, still posting.

Yes, that's it. I'm not sure what else Disney could have done anyway. As has been pointed out to you multiple times, Zegler is not a regular employee, but an actor under contract who had already completed the job. There were no practicable measures the company could have taken against her at that point.

I get your point there. Again, the Jungle Cruise Skipper analogy on display. I think the practicable measure the company will take will be seen from March 22nd onward, when they don't hire her again for another film for any Disney studio.

I don't put much stock in what celebrities say. I'm much more concerned about the words and deeds of those who have an actual impact on our lives.

I don't either, but some of them sure make waves trying to insult at least half their audience. You wonder what they're thinking. Imagine a plumber in town saying he dislikes Biden voters and won't unclog their drains. Not smart business.

And if @Casper Gutman is to be believed, "the most powerful people in the nation" are the people commenting on celebrities. Or something. I can't quite follow that train of thought he has on that. I assume he's talking about YouTubers.

 

[Chi84]

Wow what can you even say about this level of crazy.

What did she say that you thought was crazy?

 

[BirdbyBird]

Actually, that form of the plural is reserved for Tolkien’s creatures. The normal plural is “dwarfs”.

good info thanks

 

[Trauma]

What did she say that you thought was crazy?

I’m not getting into this it’s not the place.

 

[Chi84]

I’m not getting into this it’s not the place.

You seemed to have no trouble calling it crazy. When she makes sensible, kind remarks people discount them.

 

[Trauma]

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I have never said it would be offensive to have dwarfs in the film, though I do think the views of people with dwarfism matter more than mine in this regard. I personally don’t think the CGI route was the best; it doesn’t really skirt the issue (they still read as human little people), and the results look bad.

I didn’t say you. I just thought I heard people saying they should be called little people.

It was just a question I honestly didn’t know.

 

[brideck]

I don't see anything "crazy" with what what said.

For real. The source piece is an even better read -- https://www.allure.com/story/rachel-zegler-cover-interview

And if @Casper Gutman is to be believed, "the most powerful people in the nation" are the people commenting on celebrities.

No? I don't have to stretch my noggin' too far to think of celebrities that our current President has felt the need to comment on. Just Google "<name of President here> celebrity feuds"

 

[Trauma]

You seemed to have no trouble calling it crazy. When she makes sensible, kind remarks people discount them.

Yes because I believe they are crazy. I know you are smart enough to realize not everyone thinks like you.

According to recent polling the vast majority of people do not think like you.

I don’t know what any of this has to do with anything though.

She is entitled to her thoughts.

I am free to call her crazy.

I do not wish her any harm. I hope she has a successful life that brings happiness to many.

 

[LittleBuford]

I didn’t say you. I just thought I heard people saying they should be called little people.

It was just a question I honestly didn’t know.

I believe “little people” is the preferred term, and it’s the one I would ordinarily use.

 

[Chi84]

According to recent polling the vast majority of people do not think like you.

What was that poll?

 

[LittleBuford]

Well, not just Tolkien, but fantasy, yeah. I spend too much time and energy on DnD apparently.

As someone ignorant of the genre, I didn’t know this and am grateful for the correction.

 

[Trauma]

What was that poll?

You can find it yourself. I’m sure you have google.

 

[Trauma]

What was that poll?

You can find it yourself. I’m sure you have google.

 

[Trauma]

I believe “little people” is the preferred term, and it’s the one I would ordinarily use.

thanks in real life I guess I will use the term little people, but in the context of this film, I will still use the word dwarves since it just makes more sense.

 

[brideck]

In case people don't want to go reading through articles, here are the quotes in question:

“My only prayer for the future of diversity and inclusion is that we invest in and nurture talent no matter what they look like.”

Seems sensible. Hollywood has a long history of not investing in minority talent. See recent articles about Djimon Hounsou for an easy example of this.

“That's why it’s so important for the next generation to see movies like Snow White. To realize there’s nothing wrong with choosing to do what's right and that it doesn’t have to be with anger or a clenched fist. Anger can be a powerful emotion, but it doesn’t bring the brightest future,” she says. It often uncovers “fear, insecurity, and a lack of love. Snow White chooses kindness and still makes change. Power takes many forms. I hope we’ll see a new dawn of kindness and acceptance in the next couple of years. And people don't see the need to use hate to cause further division.”

It's not hard to parse the contrast she means here, but I'm not sure what's crazy about stating a preference for kindness over anger.

 

[Chi84]

I'm not sure what's crazy about stating a preference for kindness over anger.

Apparently there was a poll . . .

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

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Looking forward to next week when we have numbers and something new to talk about. I love the discussion on this site but with how little Disney is doing in the parks, theaters, and D+ it can get very repetitive sometimes.

 

[Trauma]

In case people don't want to go reading through articles, here are the quotes in question:

“My only prayer for the future of diversity and inclusion is that we invest in and nurture talent no matter what they look like.”

Seems sensible. Hollywood has a long history of not investing in minority talent. See recent articles about Djimon Hounsou for an easy example of this.

“That's why it’s so important for the next generation to see movies like Snow White. To realize there’s nothing wrong with choosing to do what's right and that it doesn’t have to be with anger or a clenched fist. Anger can be a powerful emotion, but it doesn’t bring the brightest future,” she says. It often uncovers “fear, insecurity, and a lack of love. Snow White chooses kindness and still makes change. Power takes many forms. I hope we’ll see a new dawn of kindness and acceptance in the next couple of years. And people don't see the need to use hate to cause further division.”

It's not hard to parse the contrast she means here, but I'm not sure what's crazy about stating a preference for kindness over anger.

This is all a joke. Talks about kindness and reducing divisions.

Meanwhile wishes harm on half the country.

 

[brideck]

I believe “little people” is the preferred term, and it’s the one I would ordinarily use.

I thought this, too, but TP and I had a brief exchange on this about a month ago. I was surprised to see that it's more of a personal choice thing for members of the in group, kind of like how I perceive Latino vs Hispanic to be. The only outright derogatory term starts with an 'm.'

From Little People of America:
"Such terms as dwarf, little person, LP, and person of short stature are all acceptable, but most people would rather be referred to by their name than by a label."

As someone ignorant of the genre, I didn’t know this and am grateful for the correction.

No worries. You are 100% correct in that Tolkien started it. The entire fantasy genre has perpetuated it since then.

 

[LittleBuford]

thanks in real life I guess I will use the term little people, but in the context of this film, I will still use the word dwarves since it just makes more sense.

Well, “dwarfs” if we’re sticking with Disney’s own terminology. I believe they’re supposed to be understood as little men (Snow White call them such) in the original film rather than mythical beings.