TP2000
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No kidding. And if the data in the graphs bother you, change the data. And Burbank is now working on that, finally.
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No kidding. And if the data in the graphs bother you, change the data. And Burbank is now working on that, finally.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You might want to tell whomever you're in private group chats with then because they're convinced you're an expert in such topics as the "most experienced Hollywood/movie industry commentators on the board".
Prince-1
Well-Known Member
No kidding. And if the data in the graphs bother you, change the data. And Burbank is now working on that, finally.
Well, you might want to tell Sirwalter that you aren’t an expert on anything movie related because you have him fooled hook, line, and sinker.
This is confusing...
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Letterboxd, Indie Cinema’s Secret Weapon, Hit 17 Million Members — Here Are Their Top 2024 Films
Letterbox, the cinephile social platform that’s become a highly effective tool for indie films in a landscape where moviegoers have been hard-to-reach, hit 17 million members in 2024.
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DisneyWarrior27
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Gotcha.I’m wisely waiting for MLK Jr. Weekend’s box office to come in before we put that movie to bed...
I figured if I tried to do an update now when it hasn’t hit a Billion yet, I’d be accused of jumping the gun.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
After a long evening of watching the crushing news out of LA tonight (fires, looting, government incompetence, etc.) I'm in an uncharacteristically contemplative mood. So I have no problem in saying...
I have no earthly idea what either of you are talking about. Someone in some private chat thinks I'm a Hollywood industry expert? If that's the case, they must be an idiot. My posts here stand for themselves in that regard.
Looking at the little envelope thing on my screen, I have a short list of private conversations from the past few years. For the past few months in particular they consist of a long-running chat with a lovely lady here who shares here best recipes and family news with me, and I in return. Plus a random conversation last month with a moderator here known as "The Mom" and we exchanged brief information about European river cruises and general Christmas good wishes. Otherwise.... nothing regarding the Hollywood movie industry.
I'm gonna rank this up there with that time five years ago when I was accused of being a secret Disney executive who overthrew Michael Eisner in 2005, was the ghost writer for Al Lutz since the Clinton years, and elevated Bob Iger to his rightful place on the throne. All via discussion forum posts. That, and also cocktails and Disneyland trivia.
I'm an Influencer!
BrianLo
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After a long evening of watching the crushing news out of LA tonight (fires, looting, government incompetence, etc.) I'm in an uncharacteristically contemplative mood. So I have no problem in saying...
I have no earthly idea what either of you are talking about. Someone in some private chat thinks I'm a Hollywood industry expert? If that's the case, they must be an idiot. My posts here stand for themselves in that regard.
Looking at the little envelope thing on my screen, I have a short list of private conversations from the past few years. For the past few months in particular they consist of a long-running chat with a lovely lady here who shares here best recipes and family news with me, and I in return. Plus a random conversation last month with a moderator here known as "The Mom" and we exchanged brief information about European river cruises and general Christmas good wishes. Otherwise.... nothing regarding the Hollywood movie industry.
I'm gonna rank this up there with that time five years ago when I was accused of being a secret Disney executive who overthrew Michael Eisner in 2005, was the ghost writer for Al Lutz since the Clinton years, and elevated Bob Iger to his rightful place on the throne. All via discussion forum posts. That, and also cocktails and Disneyland trivia.
I'm an Influencer!
I hadn’t gotten around to hitting the post button. Sometimes I think better of poking the bear. But since you said it first… I just want you to know I had this one pegged.
Wendy Pleakley
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I don't think we see these numbers often so this is interesting info about digital home releases not necessarily hurting theatrical revenue as well as how much they can add to a movie's bottom line.
www.darkhorizons.com
Marking a rare glimpse into the results of these things, Universal has announced that the release of its uber-popular musical “Wicked” on digital platforms on New Year’s Eve racked up $26 million in first day sales and $70 million in first week sales in North America.
The title is currently available for $30 purchase & $20 rent. The shift to digital has had no real impact on box-office – the title still managed to pull in a further $10 million last weekend in its seventh weekend of release in cinemas despite being available on digital platforms.
"Wicked" Earns $70M In Wk1 Digital Release
Of all the major studios, Universal Pictures has been the one most aggressively pursuing the PVOD window strategy – and it’s paying big dividends for them. Marking a rare glimpse into the results of these things, Universal has announced that the release of its uber-popular musical “Wicked” on...
www.darkhorizons.com
Marking a rare glimpse into the results of these things, Universal has announced that the release of its uber-popular musical “Wicked” on digital platforms on New Year’s Eve racked up $26 million in first day sales and $70 million in first week sales in North America.
The title is currently available for $30 purchase & $20 rent. The shift to digital has had no real impact on box-office – the title still managed to pull in a further $10 million last weekend in its seventh weekend of release in cinemas despite being available on digital platforms.
There is an srgument to be made…. That perhaps Wicked would of made that no matter when the digital PVOD would of drop… as there are a massive amount of wicked fans even before the movie was ever in productionI don't think we see these numbers often so this is interesting info about digital home releases not necessarily hurting theatrical revenue as well as how much they can add to a movie's bottom line.
"Wicked" Earns $70M In Wk1 Digital Release
Of all the major studios, Universal Pictures has been the one most aggressively pursuing the PVOD window strategy – and it’s paying big dividends for them. Marking a rare glimpse into the results of these things, Universal has announced that the release of its uber-popular musical “Wicked” on...
Marking a rare glimpse into the results of these things, Universal has announced that the release of its uber-popular musical “Wicked” on digital platforms on New Year’s Eve racked up $26 million in first day sales and $70 million in first week sales in North America.
The title is currently available for $30 purchase & $20 rent. The shift to digital has had no real impact on box-office – the title still managed to pull in a further $10 million last weekend in its seventh weekend of release in cinemas despite being available on digital platforms.
If I was Universal I would of waited till after the Academy Awards as any chance of an Oscar bump In theaters is now gone
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Not necessarily, re-releases and theater count bumps can and do happen around Oscar time for nominees and winners.
Also as has been discussed here before the post-Oscar bump is a bit overblown, it doesn't add all that much to the box office in a majority of cases. But maybe Wicked will buck that trend and have a resurgence post-Oscars, you never know.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Isn't it great?! Sometimes I just love it here so much, it's all just so funny! Me, now a "Hollywood insider"! Imagine?!?
NEWS: You guys, I'm going to go see a movie!
It's true. Plans for a steakhouse visit to Las Vegas next week with old friends who know their steaks has just morphed a bit and been extended by a night. And then someone insisted we go see a movie, and I groaned inside. In Vegas?! But then the movie was explained to me and I'm all in on it now. It's called "The Last Showgirl" and it stars Pamela Anderson as, well, the last showgirl.It's not from one of Disney's studios, so there is no dedicated thread for it (nor should there be). But I'll report back in 10 days with my thoughts on it
While we wait for that, here's the box office for Thursday showing the preview box office for this weekend's newest...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…but Demi…Don't watch The Substance then!
Disney Irish
Premium Member
This was mentioned in the Mufasa thread, but thought it should be mentioned here too.
Per Deadline - "Mufasa crossed the half billion mark at the global box office"
deadline.com
So it has likely crossed the breakeven mark and into profitability at this point. Not a roaring success, but also not a whimper of a loss either.
Also reported by Deadline, "Moana 2 yesterday clocked $971.1M worldwide", so its inching ever closer to the $1B mark. Something that many here thought was impossible when it first opened.
Per Deadline - "Mufasa crossed the half billion mark at the global box office"
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So it has likely crossed the breakeven mark and into profitability at this point. Not a roaring success, but also not a whimper of a loss either.
Also reported by Deadline, "Moana 2 yesterday clocked $971.1M worldwide", so its inching ever closer to the $1B mark. Something that many here thought was impossible when it first opened.
brideck
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NEWS: You guys, I'm going to go see a movie!
I just saw this last night. I have no prediction as to whether you'll like it at all. It's based at least in part on interviews that the screenwriter did with cast members of the long-running Jubilee! show before it closed in 2016. For a Disney hook, it also stars Suite Life kid Brenda Song in a supporting role.
Not necessarily, re-releases and theater count bumps can and do happen around Oscar time for nominees and winners.
Also as has been discussed here before the post-Oscar bump is a bit overblown, it doesn't add all that much to the box office in a majority of cases. But maybe Wicked will buck that trend and have a resurgence post-Oscars, you never know.
Perhaps it is more of an awards season bump…. As I don’t think a film like Poor Things would of grossed nearly as much without all the award nominations it received through the season… or the year of Everything, Everywhere All at Once… the film was rereleased in theaters and the 5.00 rental was raised to 20.00… it added to it’s gross because of it
I do agree that Wicked probably would not benefit as much as those…,as the crowds did come out for it…. I still think it was a mistake to release it this early…it probably would have made that anyway as well as add to it’s theatrical gross…. It was having better holds than Moana…. It was not a coincidence the opposite happen last week
I also understand studios are now using theatrical as an advertisement for their streaming services… the data shows movies do better on the various services if they go to theaters first…. But they will still have that ability later on
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Disney Irish
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I think it’s a complex thing especially now with streaming as you mentioned. Uni has been pretty aggressive post-pandemic with how fast they put something on digital, so it’s fairly normal. Wicked is already starting to get sub-$1m days so I think they are aware that theatrical has diminishing returns now at this point for Wicked. Which is probably why they ended up moving it to digital this quickly. Maybe they also don’t feel their chances are that good with the Oscars and other award shows outside of the craft awards, dunno. I’m actually surprised though that it’s still in over 2900 theaters. We’ve seen the theater count drop pretty significantly after a digital release in most cases, so guess this is one of those exceptions.
brideck
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When I think of recent awards bumps versus not, I think of last year with Poor Things against something like The Iron Claw. The latter was yanked from theaters to make room for other awards stuff even though it was still fairly popular at the time. It easily made $10m-$20m less than it would have in theaters due to lack of nominations.
Wicked still has a solid theater count, but is in less than 1/3 of the screens in those theaters compared to its release (as is Sonic). Mufasa is the only movie still hanging on to more than a "normal" wide release around me.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I think it comes down to the individual film. Some less well known ones might get more of a bump than say something that was already killing it at the box office as award followers go see the ones they missed. So something like Wicked is less likely to get a bump compared to The Brutalist which is on the top of most Best Picture lists. In fact, and not to upset any Ozians (what Wicked fans are called for those that don't know, I had to look it up too) but Wicked isn't even predicted to win many of the big awards, most think it'll win primarily craft and critics awards only. So I don't think the bump is going to be there anyways for Wicked, which also could have factored into Uni's decision to push it to digital already.
It's not really surprising for me, given that all the early December wide releases went belly-up instantly, a lot of the awards-bait titles are getting one screen at the most (especially outside big cities), and there's next to nothing opening wide this month. Moana 2 is still hanging about, why not Wicked?