TalkingHead
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Honestly sounds a lot like 2023. A couple massive hits will probably emerge among a lot of decent-to-ugly underperformers. Redundancy and overlap are red flags for tentpoles.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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TalkingHead
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Speaking of redundancy…
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
A good year for Disney at the box office…but limping across the finish line
Moana 2 has sorta flatlined…mufasa (predictably) is not gonna do anything great…
Moana 2 has sorta flatlined…mufasa (predictably) is not gonna do anything great…
Animaniac93-98
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Mufasa's $35 million opening is worse than Maleficent 2.
Doubt Disney will greenlight anymore of these live-action remake sequels.
Doubt Disney will greenlight anymore of these live-action remake sequels.
Farerb
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In my opinion, they'll stop with the remakes altogether but that probably has more to do with how Snow White or Lilo and Stitch will perform. I can see them canceling Hercules (which seems to have production issues considering how stagnant it has been) and any other remake to their classics (Aristocats, Bambi, etc...). The only ones I can see them do are Tangled and eventually Frozen.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Moana 2 now sits at $790M WW before final weekend numbers, likely crossing over $800M before Christmas Eve. International continues to have legs even if domestic has been flat.
We'll see by the end of next weekend if it has the juice to make it close to $1B or come just shy, either way Disney is exclaiming "Cheehoo!" with this movie.
We'll see by the end of next weekend if it has the juice to make it close to $1B or come just shy, either way Disney is exclaiming "Cheehoo!" with this movie.
Animaniac93-98
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I expect Lilo and Stitch and Moana to do well.
But Tangled and Frozen are the only ones after that which really have box office potential IMO.
Hercules looks to be stuck in development, and there's no way they're sinking money into their B and C tier movies.
Movies like Hunchback and Black Cauldron had potential, but they won't happen.
Yes, exactly this. Humans don't tend to use the full breadth of pretty much any scale with much nuance, but instead just give really polarized scores. You might as well just ask for thumbs up/thumbs down and then give the % of thumbs up. [Unless that's how this works and then they just dress it up as a letter grade? No idea.]
Popcorn-meter has the same problem. It's 89% for Mufasa, which seems really good, but is not actually a number that's going to lead to great word of mouth. [Although comparing this to Wish (80%) and Solo (63%) is pretty silly.]
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DisneyWarrior27
Active Member
I still think it makes a billion next month just before Dog Man comes out. And Mufasa’s mixed reviews will help Moana 2 out big time.
Also, I saw Moana 2 in 3D and shared word of it on social media too, in the hopes I can get it to drop at or under 50% this weekend once the actuals come out tomorrow, rather than 51%.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
We’ll see, but as I said no matter what Disney is extremely happy with its results.
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
Either I didn’t notice before, or the new trailer is slightly tweaked, but they explain that Snow White was named after a snowstorm on the day she was born. There you go. There’s your explanation. No big deal.
She looks solid to me, and I’ve never seen her in any other movie as far as I know. All the hoopla makes me want to go out and support her.
As for the rest of the discussions lately, I’m finding them more and more irksome. Everyone thinks they’re a critic, a director, and an analyst. It’s starting to sound like all the threads complaining about new attractions where everyone thinks they’re an armchair Imagineer, and they are just “correct“ about their opinions.
Why is it the lion King is being derided for a prequel, but sonic is not for a second sequel? The first sonic was massively retooled before it was released, I don’t hear any prattling about that.
I’m not at all surprised to see sonic outdo the lion King because there was a lot of positive buzz about the past two sonic installments, at least as I heard it.
I don’t know why lion King fans wouldn’t want to learn about Mufasa’s history, but I am not the biggest lion King fan.
Pitting Moana against lion King: why? You can’t go to the movies twice?
The incessant blathering about lay people’s theories on why something is successful or not successful as if they are experts. They aren’t.
Huge songs never made it to number one because the timing was bad, because an even bigger hit was number one at that very same time. Had they released it at a different time, it would’ve been a number one. It works the same with films. Obviously, that’s one reason they reschedule films.
A film being good or bad, or the right or wrong decision, is only partially tied to its box office. Some things are just ahead of their time. Plus: reasons.
She looks solid to me, and I’ve never seen her in any other movie as far as I know. All the hoopla makes me want to go out and support her.
As for the rest of the discussions lately, I’m finding them more and more irksome. Everyone thinks they’re a critic, a director, and an analyst. It’s starting to sound like all the threads complaining about new attractions where everyone thinks they’re an armchair Imagineer, and they are just “correct“ about their opinions.
Why is it the lion King is being derided for a prequel, but sonic is not for a second sequel? The first sonic was massively retooled before it was released, I don’t hear any prattling about that.
I’m not at all surprised to see sonic outdo the lion King because there was a lot of positive buzz about the past two sonic installments, at least as I heard it.
I don’t know why lion King fans wouldn’t want to learn about Mufasa’s history, but I am not the biggest lion King fan.
Pitting Moana against lion King: why? You can’t go to the movies twice?
The incessant blathering about lay people’s theories on why something is successful or not successful as if they are experts. They aren’t.
Huge songs never made it to number one because the timing was bad, because an even bigger hit was number one at that very same time. Had they released it at a different time, it would’ve been a number one. It works the same with films. Obviously, that’s one reason they reschedule films.
A film being good or bad, or the right or wrong decision, is only partially tied to its box office. Some things are just ahead of their time. Plus: reasons.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
Why?. The Lion King (animated) made almost a billion, and more recent Lion King “live action” film made over $1.6B. That’s a ton of franchise awareness
It’s generally considered a bad idea for a studio to step on its own box office. There is a finite amount of marketing spend and cross-promotion to go around in a tight window.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Sure, but a lot of families won’t, which is Disney’s target audience for these two.
Last week I went to see something with relatives. One small popcorn and a bottle of water was $15. Tickets and concessions for a family of four would be over $100 in a lot of places. If the entertainment value is perceived to be mediocre, it’s easy to imagine a family doing the first film and skipping the second one.
CinematicFusion
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Disney spent a record $290.9 million last year to make ANDOR Season 2, which makes it the highest-ever annual spend for a Star Wars production
This takes the total budget of ANDOR Seasons 1 and 2 to $645 million
Universal spent $350 million on both Wicked movies combined (Marketing cost not included)
This takes the total budget of ANDOR Seasons 1 and 2 to $645 million
Universal spent $350 million on both Wicked movies combined (Marketing cost not included)
erasure fan1
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The original lion King is beloved. The remake? Well not so much. It might have done 1.6bil but the only awareness it got was how bad and lazy the film was. And that isn't helping this film. I can only speak for me, but if this was released instead of the remake, I'm interested. But after how bad the remake was, I'll wait for streaming.
Sonic has been on an upward trend. It's a great example of why you should listen to your fan base. I truly believe that the first Sonic fails if they don't change the design. They did and it has gone nowhere but up. They've done a great job adapting the ip and each instalment has improved. That can't be said about the lion king. And lion king is my number one all time favorite Disney movie.
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
Says who? It's several weeks across "the holidays" in which to do something. Get one refillable popcorn bucket and share.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Sonic 3 opened $12M less than the second did just 2 years ago (and 3 cost $32M more to make), that doesn't appear to be an upward trend to me. We'll see what its final numbers are but if that trend continues it won't make near as much WW as the second, coming in around the mid-$300M's instead. So again that doesn't seem like an upward trend to me, but rather franchise fatigue, which many claim that many of Disney franchises also have including the live-action remakes.
IMO… Sonic will probably land where the last one did…. I think there is a limited ceiling in the appeal… I believe part of the reason is some waiting till after Christmas… however Sonic is also typically front loaded…. It’s film that getS the fan boys out for Thursday previews over other films currently out… which Is why projections were off… there was a bigger drop then originally thought…. Sony most likely knows this as the 4th one was announced for Super Mario’s date in April 2027….which struck gold
I would also like to state this is all opinion… unlike some declare their thoughts as facts
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I agree I think it also has a limited ceiling. And if it is front-loaded, well, that doesn't bode well for its finally tally. But we'll see what happens over the next couple weeks as we go into the new year.
DarkMetroid567
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Heartbroken at how much I disliked Sonic 3. Genuinely do not understand how this got an 86% RT.