Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Chi84

Chi84

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Miss Rori said:
After it was confirmed that part of the overworking of the animators on Inside Out 2 was their having to reanimate scenes so absolutely no one would even think Riley's admiration of Val was a queer crush because corporate higher-ups blamed Lightyear's failure on The Kiss, and they decided not to air an episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur because it focused on the transgender girl character, I seriously doubt we will see a Disney animated feature with queer characters of honest significance. (Scraps of representation as in Elemental are so easy to cut.) Disney has long tended towards the reactionary in their creative choices, and after all the mud slung at them for tossing out a few diversity crumbs there's no incentive for them to change, especially not right now.
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Sorry, I haven’t been following. What sources confirmed the reanimation and decision not to air? Doesn’t Disney usually keep that information close?
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Miss Rori said:
After it was confirmed that part of the overworking of the animators on Inside Out 2 was their having to reanimate scenes so absolutely no one would even think Riley's admiration of Val was a queer crush because corporate higher-ups blamed Lightyear's failure on The Kiss
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Without knowing any of this, I still read it as a potentially queer crush back when I first saw it, so however much they may have suppressed that dynamic (and I have no idea if they actually did), it was still evident to some of us:
LittleBuford said:
I don't fully agree with the bolded, since I myself saw a crush-like dynamic at play, but yes, romance (of any kind) is not, and was never going to be, a central element (!) of this film.
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Miss Rori said:
Disney has long tended towards the reactionary in their creative choices, and after all the mud slung at them for tossing out a few diversity crumbs there's no incentive for them to change, especially not right now.
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At this point, representations of queerness have become so mainstream that one would have to be wilfully reactionary to avoid them. Disney has certainly never led the way in terms of progressivism (it generally waits until it's safe to join the tide), but neither can it be called reactionary (at least according to standard dictionary definitions). We live in a world where major retail stores are filled with rainbow merch during Pride, where gay characters have featured in mainstream family shows and films (including ones made by Disney) for well over a decade, and where gay marriage is legal in many countries. The genie cannot be put back into the bottle (or the closet) at this point. Disney would be marking itself as a truly retrograde outlier if it tried to resist the inevitable for any significant length of time.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Animaniac93-98 said:
Thought it might be higher due to the reshoots.
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Variety claims $240M, and Forbes claims $269.4M. So who knows which is correct as reshoot budgets aren’t public usually. However none of those take into account the UK tax rebate that Disney got, which lowers the price tag by $55.5M bringing even the top end to $213.9M.

So that is the figure that should be used for any calculations, $213.9M.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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LittleBuford said:
Without knowing any of this, I still read it as a potentially queer crush back when I first saw it, so however much they may have suppressed that dynamic (and I have no idea if they actually did), it was still evident to some of us:



At this point, representations of queerness have become so mainstream that one would have to be wilfully reactionary to avoid them. Disney has certainly never led the way in terms of progressivism (it generally waits until it's safe to join the tide), but neither can it be called reactionary (at least according to standard dictionary definitions). We live in a world where major retail stores are filled with rainbow merch during Pride, where gay characters have featured in mainstream family shows and films (including ones made by Disney) for well over a decade, and where gay marriage is legal in many countries. The genie cannot be put back into the bottle (or the closet) at this point. Disney would be marking itself as a truly retrograde outlier if it tried to resist the inevitable for any significant length of time.
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Has Disney in recent years marketed their own rainbow merch during Pride including in the Parks?
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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I wonder how much Disney merchandise actually get sold. I'm sure most of it ends up being shipped to third world countries to poison their land and sea.

Disney is the ultimate Buy n' Large.

 
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DKampy

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Phroobar said:
I wonder how much Disney merchandise actually get sold. I'm sure most of it ends up being shipped to third world countries to poison their land and sea.

Disney is the ultimate Buy n' Large.

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I am sure plenty of it sells… Disney has a pretty sizable Lbgtq+ fan base…And as somebody who lived in the Orlando area there is decent size gay community there
 
Farerb

Farerb

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TalkingHead said:
Dunno if it was posted already but Snow White’s budget is $240M according to Variety.
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I honestly don't understand why this movie had to cost slightly less than The Little Mermaid and The Lion King. Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast had a budget of $95 million and $160 million respectively and there was no reason Snow White couldn't have the same budget. And while I don't care for these remakes both of them look better than Snow White (and Little Mermaid for that matter) in terms of production design. They should have found a beautiful forest location and film there instead of horrendous CGI everywhere.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Farerb said:
I honestly don't understand why this movie had to cost slightly less than The Little Mermaid and The Lion King. Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast had a budget of $95 million and $160 million respectively and there was no reason Snow White couldn't have the same budget. And while I don't care for these remakes both of them look better than Snow White (and Little Mermaid for that matter) in terms of production design. They should have found a beautiful forest location and film there instead of horrendous CGI everywhere.
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Cost increases happen for many reason, but in this case a lot of it was attributed to production delays due to the pandemic, and then later the strikes which delayed any reshoots. Had the delays not happened it probably would have been closer to BatB.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Ghost93 said:
I don't think Elemental counts as that queer character was blink and you miss it.
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Exactly. It was a 4 second scene where Wade introduces his sister and her girlfriend. Who sit two feet apart from each other.

It wasn't quite the Sapphic version of Splendor In The Grass, was it? ;)
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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TP2000 said:
Exactly. It was a 4 second scene where Wade introduces his sister and her girlfriend. Who sit two feet apart from each other.

It wasn't quite the Sapphic version of Splendor In The Grass, was it? ;)
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His sibling, not sister.

TP2000 said:
It wasn't quite the Sapphic version of Splendor In The Grass, was it? ;)
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Nor was the blink-and-you’d-miss-it kiss in Lightyear.
 

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