Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Farerb]

I didn't care about the movie to be honest. It felt like the people who made are people who were constantly on Tumblr.

 

[TalkingHead]

Dunno if it was posted already but Snow White’s budget is $240M according to Variety.

 

[DKampy]

I don't think Elemental counts as that queer character was blink and you miss it.

Strange World had decent-ish gay representation, although because the movie as a whole was rather bad/bland, it unfortunately didn't have the impact it should have.

To date, I think Nimona on Netflix is the best queer representation I've seen in a family film. I can't see Disney making an animated movie like that with such prominent gay characters and LGBT themes in the current climate. Maybe in about six years, if the pendulum swings back in a more progressive direction, the company will once again consider taking a stab at significant representation.

Except if Elemental was not well received then the same people that had an issue with the blink and you miss it kiss in Lightyear would of taken issue with the blink and you miss it non binary character in Elemental.. those that have biases go after low hanging fruit…. The real issues of Stranger World and Lightyear not succeeding did not have anything to do with lbgtq+ representation

 

[erasure fan1]

This however is very subjective when talking about quality, lets use the example of Moana 2 since its recent. You may not feel its a quality film and thus isn't a worthy sequel and living up to the quality of the original.

That's correct. But remember, this was all about my response to why people here have issues/complain about sequels. The overall reception to Moana 2 is mediocre. That doesn't mean everyone hates it. You can tell it was a Frankensteins monster just pieced together from something else. So yes I don't think it's a worthy sequel.

That doesn't mean I was saying that the public doesn't want originals, just that they aren't taking the much risk of seeing them in theaters when they come out.

Again I think we agree. I was responding to "everyone complains" about sequels and Disneys originals all flopped. So when I say no one wants originals, that was a general statement based on what was being insinuated. I think you are right with they won't take the risk to see an original. Because that's exactly what I said. Disney has a poor track record with originals. That's why people are staying away. Not because they don't want them. That was the whole point of what I said. And what you are saying reaffirms my point.

What I gathered from your post is that you are ok with sequels only if there is a "story" to tell, and be a good story, otherwise don't make a sequel. And that was what I was commenting on, just saying the public doesn't seem to care that much about the story overall, just that they are getting to see their favorite characters again. So in that regard, cash grab or not, Disney is giving the public what they want, even if you think the quality of the story is lacking and not worthy of the original.

I get that. There are many many people that will just go see Moana because, Moana! I'll push back on them giving the public what they want. They aren't really. People don't want a mediocre at best sequels. Yea people get to see their favorite characters. But when it's mediocre to poor, it devalues everything else. It's a slow erosion. Disney is supposed to be better than, it's Elsa, no one will care if it's meh.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Another 5 seconds of searching, I know a whole 10 seconds out of your day must be exhausting, would have shown you that a new Michelin restaurant was opening up in that location called Nightingale sometime this year, hopefully it has by now.

Nightingale is opening a second location in Yaletown | Food & Drink

Dished received confirmation that Nightingale will be opening in Yaletown at the former location of Yaletown Distillery Bar + Kitchen.

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WAIT! stop!! I didn’t see this?! Nightingale is getting a second spot?! Omg. It’s one of our favourite places.

Thank you Disney friends for teaching me things about my home

That's exactly what it looked like as I panned around on the Google Street View. A trendy hipster neighborhood.

Disney must pay a pretty penny to be there. Which surprised me (see above post), as until I did that Google search earlier today, I had just assumed the Disney operation in Vancouver was in some cheap office park in the suburbs somewhere.

I also did not realize it was there… I walk by it all the time. Oops.

 

[Miss Rori]

It won't be long before Disney makes a successful animated movie with queer characters. Pixar already did it with Elemental. Anyone who thinks we are about to experience a longterm retreat from representation is kidding themselves or betraying their own ideological unease. The march of progress is unstoppable.

After it was confirmed that part of the overworking of the animators on Inside Out 2 was their having to reanimate scenes so absolutely no one would even think Riley's admiration of Val was a queer crush because corporate higher-ups blamed Lightyear's failure on The Kiss, and they decided not to air an episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur because it focused on the transgender girl character, I seriously doubt we will see a Disney animated feature with queer characters of honest significance. (Scraps of representation as in Elemental are so easy to cut.) Disney has long tended towards the reactionary in their creative choices, and after all the mud slung at them for tossing out a few diversity crumbs there's no incentive for them to change, especially not right now.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Dunno if it was posted already but Snow White’s budget is $240M according to Variety.

Thought it might be higher due to the reshoots.

 

[Chi84]

After it was confirmed that part of the overworking of the animators on Inside Out 2 was their having to reanimate scenes so absolutely no one would even think Riley's admiration of Val was a queer crush because corporate higher-ups blamed Lightyear's failure on The Kiss, and they decided not to air an episode of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur because it focused on the transgender girl character, I seriously doubt we will see a Disney animated feature with queer characters of honest significance. (Scraps of representation as in Elemental are so easy to cut.) Disney has long tended towards the reactionary in their creative choices, and after all the mud slung at them for tossing out a few diversity crumbs there's no incentive for them to change, especially not right now.

Sorry, I haven’t been following. What sources confirmed the reanimation and decision not to air? Doesn’t Disney usually keep that information close?

 

[LittleBuford]

After it was confirmed that part of the overworking of the animators on Inside Out 2 was their having to reanimate scenes so absolutely no one would even think Riley's admiration of Val was a queer crush because corporate higher-ups blamed Lightyear's failure on The Kiss

Without knowing any of this, I still read it as a potentially queer crush back when I first saw it, so however much they may have suppressed that dynamic (and I have no idea if they actually did), it was still evident to some of us:

I don't fully agree with the bolded, since I myself saw a crush-like dynamic at play, but yes, romance (of any kind) is not, and was never going to be, a central element (!) of this film.

Disney has long tended towards the reactionary in their creative choices, and after all the mud slung at them for tossing out a few diversity crumbs there's no incentive for them to change, especially not right now.

At this point, representations of queerness have become so mainstream that one would have to be wilfully reactionary to avoid them. Disney has certainly never led the way in terms of progressivism (it generally waits until it's safe to join the tide), but neither can it be called reactionary (at least according to standard dictionary definitions). We live in a world where major retail stores are filled with rainbow merch during Pride, where gay characters have featured in mainstream family shows and films (including ones made by Disney) for well over a decade, and where gay marriage is legal in many countries. The genie cannot be put back into the bottle (or the closet) at this point. Disney would be marking itself as a truly retrograde outlier if it tried to resist the inevitable for any significant length of time.

 

[Disney Irish]

Thought it might be higher due to the reshoots.

Variety claims $240M, and Forbes claims $269.4M. So who knows which is correct as reshoot budgets aren’t public usually. However none of those take into account the UK tax rebate that Disney got, which lowers the price tag by $55.5M bringing even the top end to $213.9M.

So that is the figure that should be used for any calculations, $213.9M.

 

[Disney Irish]

Without knowing any of this, I still read it as a potentially queer crush back when I first saw it, so however much they may have suppressed that dynamic (and I have no idea if they actually did), it was still evident to some of us:



At this point, representations of queerness have become so mainstream that one would have to be wilfully reactionary to avoid them. Disney has certainly never led the way in terms of progressivism (it generally waits until it's safe to join the tide), but neither can it be called reactionary (at least according to standard dictionary definitions). We live in a world where major retail stores are filled with rainbow merch during Pride, where gay characters have featured in mainstream family shows and films (including ones made by Disney) for well over a decade, and where gay marriage is legal in many countries. The genie cannot be put back into the bottle (or the closet) at this point. Disney would be marking itself as a truly retrograde outlier if it tried to resist the inevitable for any significant length of time.

Has Disney in recent years marketed their own rainbow merch during Pride including in the Parks?

 

[LittleBuford]

Has Disney in recent years marketed their own rainbow merch during Pride including in the Parks?

I don't know if they market it as such, but they certainly sell it, both online and in the parks. They even have merchandise with the trans flag on it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I don't know if they market it as such, but they certainly sell it, both online and in the parks. They even have merchandise with the trans flag on it.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't know if they market it as such, but they certainly sell it, both online and in the parks. They even have merchandise with the trans flag on it.

It is right on their Instagram, so I would call that marketing -



So Disney isn’t shying away from representation or even shielding kids from it in the Parks.

 

[Phroobar]

I wonder how much Disney merchandise actually get sold. I'm sure most of it ends up being shipped to third world countries to poison their land and sea.

Disney is the ultimate Buy n' Large.

 

[Disney Irish]

I wonder how much Disney merchandise actually get sold. I'm sure most of it ends up being shipped to third world countries to poison their land and sea.

Disney is the ultimate Buy n' Large.

Disney has their own outlet shops and CM shops where old merch is sold.

 

[DKampy]

I wonder how much Disney merchandise actually get sold. I'm sure most of it ends up being shipped to third world countries to poison their land and sea.

Disney is the ultimate Buy n' Large.

I am sure plenty of it sells… Disney has a pretty sizable Lbgtq+ fan base…And as somebody who lived in the Orlando area there is decent size gay community there

 

[Farerb]

Dunno if it was posted already but Snow White’s budget is $240M according to Variety.

I honestly don't understand why this movie had to cost slightly less than The Little Mermaid and The Lion King. Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast had a budget of $95 million and $160 million respectively and there was no reason Snow White couldn't have the same budget. And while I don't care for these remakes both of them look better than Snow White (and Little Mermaid for that matter) in terms of production design. They should have found a beautiful forest location and film there instead of horrendous CGI everywhere.

 

[Disney Irish]

I honestly don't understand why this movie had to cost slightly less than The Little Mermaid and The Lion King. Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast had a budget of $95 million and $160 million respectively and there was no reason Snow White couldn't have the same budget. And while I don't care for these remakes both of them look better than Snow White (and Little Mermaid for that matter) in terms of production design. They should have found a beautiful forest location and film there instead of horrendous CGI everywhere.

Cost increases happen for many reason, but in this case a lot of it was attributed to production delays due to the pandemic, and then later the strikes which delayed any reshoots. Had the delays not happened it probably would have been closer to BatB.

 

[TalkingHead]

It is right on their Instagram, so I would call that marketing -



So Disney isn’t shying away from representation or even shielding kids from it in the Parks.

That image is hilarious. Late capitalism, baby!