Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Miss Rori

Well-Known Member
So just how bad is Jokers word of mouth and what exactly does a D CinemaScore indicate?
CinemaScore polls moviegoers who have seen a film on its opening weekend. It's pretty hard to get a D this way - Fs are even rarer and almost solely given to really artsy dramas or "extreme" films. My understanding is that anything below a B-level is, when it comes to wide-release films, pretty much only goes to horror movies, which have VERY particular target audiences and expectations (those films rarely get to A-level). Prior to Joker Folie a Deux, the worst-performing superhero film was the 2015 Fantastic 4, which got a C-. Even The Marvels scrounged up a B. Family movies often get in the A/A- range. The lowest-scoring Star Wars installment, Rise of Skywalker, got a B+. (Last Jedi got an A!)

So Joker Folie a Deux performing this badly in the poll is an indicator that this movie isn't just disliked but loathed by just about everyone who got out to the theater. Superfans of the first film felt insulted by it (many many many of them apparently never figured out it was a musical), people who were neutral about the first were just bored silly by it (seems Harley doesn't get as much screen/plot time as you'd think; the back half of the film is mostly a courtroom drama). It didn't give superfans what they wanted, and it didn't work as something that appealed to general audiences. And while someone who was let down by The Marvels or just thought it was okay would likely just shrug and move on to something else, people let down this badly would very much be angry enough to mention it to friends, social media, etc....
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Only $1M left to go until Deadpool & Wolverine tops Barbie for the biggest July release domestically.

I think it’ll get there, either by the end of October or by early November.
You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
 

DisneyWarrior27

Active Member
You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
No.

No. No I’m still gonna hold to my guns and still believe it will get there, especially since it won’t be on Disney+ til mid-November as they’ll wanna leave some space from the end of Agatha and the election.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
No.

No. No I’m still gonna hold to my guns and still believe it will get there, especially since it won’t be on Disney+ til mid-November as they’ll wanna leave some space from the end of Agatha and the election.
You go ahead and stick to your guns. It'll end up being whatever it'll be. As Venom 3 releases at the end of the month (which is technically also part of the MCU), I have a feeling the D+ release date for DP&W will be announced soon.

Also I'll just leave this here -

 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Preliminary numbers for the weekend is in, and Joker dropped a staggering 81% which is a rare feat indeed.

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DP&W did drop out of the top 10 for the first time, dropping 52% bringing in less than $1M. The D+ release date is likely to be announced soon after already being on digital for 2 weeks.
 

easyrowrdw

Well-Known Member
You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
I still haven't seen it so that could be another $10-15 bucks depending on what showtime I go to. Or it could be $0 because I kinda don't care that much about seeing it. Only time will tell... 😂
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I still haven't seen it so that could be another $10-15 bucks depending on what showtime I go to. Or it could be $0 because I kinda don't care that much about seeing it. Only time will tell... 😂
Well at this point you might as well just watch it at home unless you really want the theatrical experience. But if you waited this long you obviously weren't interested in the theatrical experience enough to see it before, so might at well just be comfortable at home and watch it. :)
 

DisneyWarrior27

Active Member
Preliminary numbers for the weekend is in, and Joker dropped a staggering 81% which is a rare feat indeed.

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DP&W did drop out of the top 10 for the first time, dropping 52% bringing in less than $1M. The D+ release date is likely to be announced soon after already being on digital for 2 weeks.
Oh I don't think so. Not until Agatha's done at least.

Besides, DP&W is basically neck and neck at the pace of Barbie. If it continues performing like it, it'll get the last $1M it needs to pass Barbie by late October or early November.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Oh I don't think so. Not until Agatha's done at least.
We'll see.

Besides, DP&W is basically neck and neck at the pace of Barbie. If it continues performing like it, it'll get the last $1M it needs to pass Barbie by late October or early November.
Actually its not, DP&W has lagged over the last week or two where Barbie was at the same point. Also this is also about when Barbie basically left theaters too, going under 500 screens.

I know this is important for you for some reason, but its really not a big deal. It doesn't make DP&W any less of a huge movie if it doesn't beat Barbie. DP&W already was the biggest July opening beating Barbie. So it really doesn't make that much of a difference if it tops it on the all time list since it wouldn't be by that much, and its only the 12th spot.

Plus just like movies get re-released all the time, if WB wanted to be vindictive, if DP&W somehow does beat Barbie all they would have to do is re-release it and it would take back that spot. So again its not really a big deal which one is in the 12th spot, as its not like they are jocking for number one.
 

easyrowrdw

Well-Known Member
Well at this point you might as well just watch it at home unless you really want the theatrical experience. But if you waited this long you obviously weren't interested in the theatrical experience enough to see it before, so might at well just be comfortable at home and watch it. :)
Yeah. I enjoy watching movies in the theater more than at home, but find it difficult to get there. I've missed a bunch of movies I wanted to watch. I'm not much help to Disney or anyone else's box office lol
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yeah. I enjoy watching movies in the theater more than at home, but find it difficult to get there. I've missed a bunch of movies I wanted to watch. I'm not much help to Disney or anyone else's box office lol
Don't worry about it, everyone's movie going experience is different. You have some people, such as myself, that go to the movies weekly, and you have some that may only go once a month or even once a year.

I think as long as you enjoy movies that is all that matters, and the where you watch them is secondary.
 

DisneyWarrior27

Active Member
Actuals for this weekend are in for Deadpool & Wolverine’s 12th weekend as it has actually beaten out Barbie’s 12th weekend by $186 dollars and is now $975K away from passing it as the biggest July release domestically, which is gonna happen by either the end of October or in early November, BEFORE the 2024 election goes down.
 

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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Actuals for this weekend are in for Deadpool & Wolverine’s 12th weekend as it has actually beaten out Barbie’s 12th weekend by $186 dollars and is now $975K away from passing it as the biggest July release domestically, which is gonna happen by either the end of October or in early November, BEFORE the 2024 election goes down.
I know this is important to you. But you might want to check that again. Its bringing in less money per theater than Barbie did for the same period in week 12, and Barbie had less theaters at the time too. Its lagging, and it'll loose more theaters this weekend.

Look for your sake I hope it beats Barbie just so you're not disappointed. But even if it doesn't it still have been a tremendous movie for the year for Disney, and nothing is going to take that away. It doesn't matter at this point if its 13th or 12th on the all-time list. It'll still be in the record books for a long long time.
 

DisneyWarrior27

Active Member
It’s official.

Thanks to actuals coming in from overseas, the one thing Film Twitter didn’t want to happen has happened.

The movie that saved Marvel Studios and their cinematic universe in #DeadpoolAndWolverine beat out the film that arguably nearly destroyed #StarWars in #TheLastJedi at the global box office.

Guess we can finally tell what audiences prefer when they go to the movies and it’s fun, strong, high-quality entertainment, not deconstructive art, a lesson #JokerFlopieAPoo learned twice.
 

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BrianLo

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Joker 2 is set to lose upwards of $200M per Variety (I think it could end up being more) -


I currently have it at a 175 million loss if the box office halts, which is sort of is doing. Unless the costs are under-reported, >200 is a bit too high. The marvels had that extra 70 million in production spend.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Deadpool & Wolverine back in over 1.5K theaters.
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This all but guarantees it’s passing Barbie domestically now.

Interesting, but just note an increase in theaters doesn't mean actual butts in seats. Yesterday for example it only brought in $68k on 990 theaters, for an average of $69 per theater. This isn't a lot of people seeing it. So I'm not expecting an huge increase in ticket sales just because it has more theaters again.

But since you've put so much expectation on it beating Barbie, I hope it does it. :)
 

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