Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

BrianLo

BrianLo

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One more thing to stir the pot.

The DCEU has 15 films. Since 2020 they've released financially numbers 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Massively on a decline. 11-15 all having done worse than MCU's worst.

The MCU has 34 films. Since 2020 they've released financially numbers 2, 5, 8, 10, 15, 16, 24, 26, 28, 32 and 34.

MCU actually averages to 17 and change. It now counters somewhat that their post Endgame run is in decline, it's actually been fairly average. Particularly if we give a little more credit to one or two of those pandemic releases being held back. Black Widow and Shang Chi mostly.

I think some of the super-hero decline is really just DC completely dropping the ball.
 
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Miss Rori

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DisneyWarrior27 said:
I mean Columbus Day Weekend can give it a boost since it’s a 4-day holiday where people have off so I still think it gets there
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I'd think that would mean more for a family picture like The Wild Robot at this point, which isn't a month old yet.

Meanwhile, presales for Wicked Part One (which got a PG rating) are robust thus far (only behind Deadpool & Wolverine's for the year!):
https://deadline.com/2024/10/wicked-presales-box-office-ariana-grade-1236112637/

Looking at places like AMC, Wicked is definitely getting IMAX matinees only while Gladiator II gets the evening screenings. Presumably, Moana 2 will pick up the baton for large-format matinees after the first few days.

Disney hasn't started presales on Moana 2, though I'd expect they'll do that shortly. The two big U.S. chains (Regal and AMC) have a lot of goodies in store for both Wicked and Gladiator II - funky popcorn buckets and drink cups, free gifts for first-night attendees, special concessions, that sort of thing. I wonder what Moana 2 will be getting? (Wish had a special light-up bucket and matching drink cup when it ran at AMC and I remember from its thread one chain also had special glitter-dusted caramel popcorn.)
 
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DKampy

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BrianLo said:
One more thing to stir the pot.

The DCEU has 15 films. Since 2020 they've released financially numbers 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Massively on a decline. 11-15 all having done worse than MCU's worst.

The MCU has 34 films. Since 2020 they've released financially numbers 2, 5, 8, 10, 15, 16, 24, 26, 28, 32 and 34.

MCU actually averages to 17 and change. It now counters somewhat that their post Endgame run is in decline, it's actually been fairly average. Particularly if we give a little more credit to one or two of those pandemic releases being held back. Black Widow and Shang Chi mostly.

I think some of the super-hero decline is really just DC completely dropping the ball.
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I believe a lot of the MCU in decline narrative is due to the Endgame effect…I don’t think most franchises could live up to the pre endgame hype…. It was a once in a generation type of event…. Did Quatumania even do much worse than the other Antman movies…. That was never a billion dollar franchise
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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So just how bad is Jokers word of mouth and what exactly does a D CinemaScore indicate?

82% drop, maybe more? No wide release from a major studio (not a limited run/re-release) has ever had a second weekend drop more precipitously. Ever.

CinemaScore delivers again. This is a fascinating train wreck to watch. Unfortunately the death knell of WB letting directors take free reigns.
 
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DKampy

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BrianLo said:
So just how bad is Jokers word of mouth and what exactly does a D CinemaScore indicate?

82% drop, maybe more? No wide release from a major studio (not a limited run/re-release) has ever had a second weekend drop more precipitously. Ever.

CinemaScore delivers again. This is a fascinating train wreck to watch. Unfortunately the death knell of WB letting directors take free reigns.
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It does make me nervous for what this will mean for the future of film… when you have an ambitious original film like Joker fail and then you have a film such as Terrifier(have not seen it and don’t plan too)surprise and do much better than expected which from all accounts only exists to appease the gore hounds with little to no plot

I get why each succeeded and failed… but execs often take the wrong lessons and want to figure the easiest path to a sure fire hit
 
DisneyWarrior27

DisneyWarrior27

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Only $1M left to go until Deadpool & Wolverine tops Barbie for the biggest July release domestically.

I think it’ll get there, either by the end of October or by early November.
 

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Miss Rori

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BrianLo said:
So just how bad is Jokers word of mouth and what exactly does a D CinemaScore indicate?
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CinemaScore polls moviegoers who have seen a film on its opening weekend. It's pretty hard to get a D this way - Fs are even rarer and almost solely given to really artsy dramas or "extreme" films. My understanding is that anything below a B-level is, when it comes to wide-release films, pretty much only goes to horror movies, which have VERY particular target audiences and expectations (those films rarely get to A-level). Prior to Joker Folie a Deux, the worst-performing superhero film was the 2015 Fantastic 4, which got a C-. Even The Marvels scrounged up a B. Family movies often get in the A/A- range. The lowest-scoring Star Wars installment, Rise of Skywalker, got a B+. (Last Jedi got an A!)

So Joker Folie a Deux performing this badly in the poll is an indicator that this movie isn't just disliked but loathed by just about everyone who got out to the theater. Superfans of the first film felt insulted by it (many many many of them apparently never figured out it was a musical), people who were neutral about the first were just bored silly by it (seems Harley doesn't get as much screen/plot time as you'd think; the back half of the film is mostly a courtroom drama). It didn't give superfans what they wanted, and it didn't work as something that appealed to general audiences. And while someone who was let down by The Marvels or just thought it was okay would likely just shrug and move on to something else, people let down this badly would very much be angry enough to mention it to friends, social media, etc....
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
DisneyWarrior27 said:
Only $1M left to go until Deadpool & Wolverine tops Barbie for the biggest July release domestically.

I think it’ll get there, either by the end of October or by early November.
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You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
 
DisneyWarrior27

DisneyWarrior27

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Disney Irish said:
You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
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No.

No. No I’m still gonna hold to my guns and still believe it will get there, especially since it won’t be on Disney+ til mid-November as they’ll wanna leave some space from the end of Agatha and the election.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
DisneyWarrior27 said:
No.

No. No I’m still gonna hold to my guns and still believe it will get there, especially since it won’t be on Disney+ til mid-November as they’ll wanna leave some space from the end of Agatha and the election.
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You go ahead and stick to your guns. It'll end up being whatever it'll be. As Venom 3 releases at the end of the month (which is technically also part of the MCU), I have a feeling the D+ release date for DP&W will be announced soon.

Also I'll just leave this here -

deadline.com

‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Breaks More Records: Highest-Selling R-Rated Movie On U.S. Digital In First Week

'Deadpool & Wolverine' continues to break records, notching the highest-selling first week ever for an R-rated film on domestic digital platforms.
deadline.com deadline.com
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Preliminary numbers for the weekend is in, and Joker dropped a staggering 81% which is a rare feat indeed.

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DP&W did drop out of the top 10 for the first time, dropping 52% bringing in less than $1M. The D+ release date is likely to be announced soon after already being on digital for 2 weeks.
 
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easyrowrdw

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Disney Irish said:
You may need to accept it might not get there. With Smile 2 and Venom 3 coming up it’ll lose even more theaters in the next two weeks. It’s an extremely uphill battle at this point.

Might need to let this one go so you don’t get overly disappointed.
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I still haven't seen it so that could be another $10-15 bucks depending on what showtime I go to. Or it could be $0 because I kinda don't care that much about seeing it. Only time will tell... 😂
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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easyrowrdw said:
I still haven't seen it so that could be another $10-15 bucks depending on what showtime I go to. Or it could be $0 because I kinda don't care that much about seeing it. Only time will tell... 😂
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Well at this point you might as well just watch it at home unless you really want the theatrical experience. But if you waited this long you obviously weren't interested in the theatrical experience enough to see it before, so might at well just be comfortable at home and watch it. :)
 

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