Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

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Yep sounds like it wonā€™t be a standalone film but more part of a larger story or universe.
 

Miss Rori

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I don't think there's much potential in this Prince Charming project. Disney itself already had the Enchanted films and the film of Into the Woods tackle this particular archetype, and with all the other parodies out there (not least the Shrek franchise, which is getting a fifth installment that will likely reach theaters before this does) there's no meat left on this bone. And while I think Paul King is a genuinely talented writer-director - Wonka worked far better as a Disney-style fairy tale musical than Wish did, and he sure has a knack for coming up with the "classic Disney villains" Disney Adults insist audiences want more of - I think he's benefitted from not being under the extreme corporate oversight he'd be under if he were actually working for Disney. There's no way a project like this doesn't get focus-tested to death, especially if Disney's trying to make it their equivalent of another company's work.
 

Disney Irish

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Thursday night previews -

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Not much going going on besides MCU adjacent Venom 3 which had a respectable but not out of this world preview, predictions are $60-$80M for the weekend.

DP&W after moving into 12th place on the all time domestic chart above Barbie last weekend, it has gone way down to 300 theaters, so effectively out of theaters for this weekend. Rumors are its getting is physical media release November 2nd, which is right around when D+ should be getting it as well.
 

Disney Irish

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Here's the weekend tally's so far -

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MCU adjacent Venom 3 just didn't bring in the butts this time around coming in under even the most conservative predictions. Doesn't bode well for the hunter in December's Kraven. Sony might be looking to Disney/Marvel to save the day again in the near future. One hopes they just give up and sell the rights back soon, they (and the IP) would just be better off in the long run.
 

Miss Rori

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Venom - The Last Dance had to go up against both early Halloween celebrations and the first games of a big-deal World Series, as noted by the analysts. And it's getting clearer and clearer that the occasional Deadpool & Wolverine aside, that is to say movies that feature really really really popular characters, general audiences are just running out of interest in comic book-derived movies. Still, I didn't have this managing a better opening than Joker Folie a Deux on my metaphorical bingo card.

Looks like a thin few weeks ahead until Wicked Part One and Gladiator II roll in, unless anyone here's excited for Red One or The Best Christmas Pageant Ever...
 

MisterPenguin

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Venom - The Last Dance had to go up against both early Halloween celebrations and the first games of a big-deal World Series, as noted by the analysts. And it's getting clearer and clearer that the occasional Deadpool & Wolverine aside, that is to say movies that feature really really really popular characters, general audiences are just running out of interest in comic book-derived movies.
Or... Let There Be Carnage got bad to middling reviews and scores and thus was the cause of a lack of interest in a sequel.

Cf. Cars 3
 

Disney Irish

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Venom - The Last Dance had to go up against both early Halloween celebrations and the first games of a big-deal World Series, as noted by the analysts. And it's getting clearer and clearer that the occasional Deadpool & Wolverine aside, that is to say movies that feature really really really popular characters, general audiences are just running out of interest in comic book-derived movies. Still, I didn't have this managing a better opening than Joker Folie a Deux on my metaphorical bingo card.

Looks like a thin few weeks ahead until Wicked Part One and Gladiator II roll in, unless anyone here's excited for Red One or The Best Christmas Pageant Ever...
Just like anything I think it comes down to execution. Venom 3 while fun wasn't executed very well, so it didn't have any hook in my opinion to bring people back. And I could have told you it would have done better than Joker 2, as it didn't try to do the bait-and-switch of it being a musical. Its why, while I think it'll do well overall, some maybe turned off by Wicked since the trailers aren't 100% clear its a musical. As believe it or not there are people out there that don't know its a musical.

There are a few other mid-level movies that may interest people such Here, Heretic, and Elevation before Wicked and Gladiator 2 open.
 

BrianLo

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We still havenā€™t really seen a good superhero film severely underperform yet. Maybe The Marvels in the extreme sense?

But I feel too like this remains largely just a quality control issue out of Warner and Sony.

The MCU box office average benchmark post-Endgame is largely consistent with the pre Endgame run.
 

TalkingHead

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Venom - The Last Dance had to go up against both early Halloween celebrations and the first games of a big-deal World Series, as noted by the analysts. And it's getting clearer and clearer that the occasional Deadpool & Wolverine aside, that is to say movies that feature really really really popular characters, general audiences are just running out of interest in comic book-derived movies. Still, I didn't have this managing a better opening than Joker Folie a Deux on my metaphorical bingo card.

Looks like a thin few weeks ahead until Wicked Part One and Gladiator II roll in, unless anyone here's excited for Red One or The Best Christmas Pageant Ever...
Inching closer and closer to the inevitable Marvel/DC crossover movie(s). Alan Smitheeā€™s dying to have another credit.
 

BrianLo

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A rising tide raises all ships. Theatres are having a much, much better second half of the year.
I know we've had to adjust expectations post-2020, but $80M seems low even by adjusted standards for something like Wicked. Especially since predictions from just a week or so ago was $100-$125M. So that seems to indicate that pre-sales are not going as well as originally hoped. Is it possible Moana 2 is having an effect?

I wonder if it'll be adjusted down again as we get closer to release.
 

BrianLo

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I know we've had to adjust expectations post-2020, but $80M seems low even by adjusted standards for something like Wicked. Especially since predictions from just a week or so ago was $100-$125M. So that seems to indicate that pre-sales are not going as well as originally hoped. Is it possible Moana 2 is having an effect?

I wonder if it'll be adjusted down again as we get closer to release.

I guess I never bought into over-inflated expectations. šŸ˜…

Just comparing it to Wonka, Poppins Returns and Greatest Showman. It seems to be looking quite strong for the holiday musical slot it is filling. Budget is mostly in line with the first two.
 

Disney Irish

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I guess I never bought into over-inflated expectations. šŸ˜…

Just comparing it to Wonka, Poppins Returns and Greatest Showman. It seems to be looking quite strong for the holiday musical slot it is filling. Budget is mostly in line with the first two.
Musical movies typically haven't opened too big, but I think the idea is that this being one of the most anticipated musical-to-movie releases gave it a larger potential.

Guess we'll see how it goes, but I can see it being adjusted down closer to $70M as we get closer to release.
 

DKampy

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Musical movies typically haven't opened too big, but I think the idea is that this being one of the most anticipated musical-to-movie releases gave it a larger potential.

Guess we'll see how it goes, but I can see it being adjusted down closer to $70M as we get closer to release.
Projections seem to be increasingly tougher for the predictors to gauge these daysā€¦ā€¦pre~2020ā€¦It would usually get close to accurateā€¦.this year the Movies either over or under performs the projections
 

Miss Rori

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Yeah, I think because there's three A-level titles opening in less than a week's time no one wants to predict a blowout for any single one of them and be proven wrong. Not to mention how very, very wrong the Thanksgiving predictions were last year; Wish was expected to be an easy first place for the holiday weekend, and boy that didn't happen, nor did the frantic hopes that it would be an Elemental-esque slow burn.

That article linked to actually gives a good breakdown of why the projected numbers are what they are: Wicked has stronger presales than Gladiator II in part because women are planning outings for it (as happened with Barbie), but Gladiator II is the sort of movie that could have more walk-up business from both men and women who aren't interested in Wicked (and some might make time for both). I'd also note that both movies are lengthy, which limits how many showings each can have in a day, and being Big Big Movies some viewers might wait until they can see them in a premium format like IMAX (this happened with the recent Dune duology, which helped them leg out in their theatrical runs), though this will be trickier with Wicked because Moana 2 arrives just 5 days later. In fact that also might be driving presales. Moana 2 will primarily be driven by walk-up business -- families with kids being what they are trying to book ahead could be derailed by all sorts of things! -- but that it is performing well in presales is encouraging.

The great news is that all three movies look to at least have strong starts. If any or all turn out to be good, so much the better, but the review embargoes haven't been lifted yet. Gladiator II did have a world premiere screening a few days back that apparently went well. Wicked's world premiere is this weekend. Social media reactions tend to be glowing most of the time so they needs be taken with a grain of salt (though if they're not wholly enthusiastic that could be a sign of trouble; that happened with, again, Wish), but given how confident Paramount and Universal already are about these films -- they've done a great job raising awareness, all things considered -- we might get the review embargoes lifted sooner rather than later.

An interesting thing with Moana 2 is that apparently, if you're not really tuned into Disney media and/or don't have kids, you might not know about it yet. In the social media circles I travel it's almost only talked up in terms of "Wait, there's a Moana 2 already?" So I guess the presales speak to Disney at least making the Disney families aware of it!
 

BrianLo

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An interesting thing with Moana 2 is that apparently, if you're not really tuned into Disney media and/or don't have kids, you might not know about it yet. In the social media circles I travel it's almost only talked up in terms of "Wait, there's a Moana 2 already?" So I guess the presales speak to Disney at least making the Disney families aware of it!

I don't think that's true. Quorums Unaided awareness on Moana 2 is actually quite high. Higher than anything else upcoming. Though I can't tell you what is normal, other than it's better.

Also Moana 2 played in front of Inside Out 2, which basically represents the entirety of their potential paying audience given how well that one did. Mixed with the viewership numbers on its trailers.
 

Disney Irish

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I don't think that's true. Quorums Unaided awareness on Moana 2 is actually quite high. Higher than anything else upcoming. Though I can't tell you what is normal, other than it's better.

Also Moana 2 played in front of Inside Out 2, which basically represents the entirety of their potential paying audience given how well that one did. Mixed with the viewership numbers on its trailers.
Exactly to say that there isn't awareness that Moana 2 is coming this Thanksgiving is not being honest and just looking to pick a fight about the current state of Disney animation. IO2 sold about ~155M tickets WW, that is a whole lot of faces that saw and are aware of Moana 2 from the trailer that played ahead of IO2.
 

Disney Irish

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Weekend box office -

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Venom 3 had an ok 2nd weekend hold. But other than that nothing too earth shattering as most stayed away from theaters over the Halloween weekend, opting instead to go to parties I presume.
 

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