LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I can honestly say I don’t recall anyone claiming a film they haven’t seen is great, but I will readily acknowledge my error if I’m mistaken.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
- Thread starter Disney Analyst
- Start date
Oh for sure. I mainly said Sony's will do better than most of Disney's MCU films going forward is the stamina of Spidey and Spider Verse.
(and even those have peaked)
Disney Irish
Premium Member
As much as I'm looking forward to seeing it, I think Madam Web will flop worse than most MCU films this year, maybe even worse than Marvels.
Why start predicting well now?
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Yep. I think that’s part of the current issues with the MCU. My personal solution for that: no more than 3 films a year, spaced out well. Only 1 or at most 2 series a year that truly connects directly to the films - even that should not introduce new key characters or really be “critical” to understand any film or the main saga. I would try to avoid having any important characters first appear in a show (eg Kamala should have had a cameo in a different film before The Marvels).
All other TV shows can be in the same canon but be completely detached from the main movie story. It sounds like the Spotlight branding will veer that way. And on that note I think it’s critical that there is proper branding to clarify what is “critical” versus “supplementary”.
Im not saying this is “the” solution but I think it would be better for casuals who were critical to the big box offices of the MCU in the past.
Also getting more well know and compelling characters (X-Men, Dr Doom, etc) sooner rather than later would be wise rather than putzing around with C listers.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
That's a possibility. It will really depend on the budget. If they spent 200+ on it, yea probably an epic flop. If it has a 120/30ish budget, it will probably still flop, just not at the level of something like the marvels.
It is said the film cost 80 million.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I never thought any of the Sony Spiderverse films outside of Spider-Man were worth much to the public. Venom I think hit at the right time, being a rated R gritty movie. But the others, trying to get to the Sinister 6 and such, just will fall flat.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I don't think its been reported yet on the budget, but I've read its over $100M at least.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I have no idea how this relates to anything I said, but that’s par for the course with you.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I think we need to stop with this "levels" based on budget. It'll either lose money or it won't. This "well Studio x only lost x amount compared to Disney" is getting a bit vindictive (not saying you) at this point. It doesn't help the conversation.
AdventureHasAName
Well-Known Member
Disney has completely destroyed its brand. There was a time in my life when this realization would have me distraught, but I became numb to Disney falling apart shortly after it destroyed Future World, so I'm remarkably less sad than I should be. Thank God they got through Avengers Endgame before it crumbled; I'm capable of pretending everything that came after never happened.
That's kind of how ROI in business works.
If a big new studio came in and dropped 400 million on all sorts of movies but each movie only brought in 150 million in box office...we can't say it was a successful box office business.
If a company consistently loses hundreds of millions more. It is dire. Not every movie can be a financially succesful cult classic. That does not support a major movie studio.
You feeling it is vindictive does not change the fact.
drod1985
Well-Known Member
In less than 10 years.
Back in 2014 I remember seeing the trailers for Age of Ultron and The Force Awakens at the very same time that you couldn't go to a restaurant and not hear a little girl singing "Let It Go." They were on top of the entertainment world.
AdventureHasAName
Well-Known Member
It's easier (and faster) when you are doing it intentionally.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
I think Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, and Disney animation are all at this point.
In the past I just assumed I could go to a movie from any of them and I’d enjoy it, now I wait and read reviews and if they aren’t glowing I wait.
The reviews for both the Marvels and Wish have been generally good (from audiences) and people still aren’t giving them the benefit of the doubt, I think they already lost the audience and they are at the “need to regain their trust” point.
Lack of faith, it’s honestly the only answer I can come up with for why everything from Disney is failing and/or underperforming.
The good news is it can be won back, Disneys been down a few times before and they followed it up with the revival era and the renaissance era.
drod1985
Well-Known Member
Inside Out is probably my favorite Pixar film. And I'm usually a big sequel guy...but I'm straight up terrified of this one not living up to the quality of the original.
This is the hope. It will take some great movies that probably should perform better than they do, and some consistency in years as competition is more than ever in family animation market. The trust will take time just as the lack of trust took some consistency and time. It will take some effort.
They need to wake sleeping beauty again.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I know exactly how ROI works, except it doesn't happen in a vacuum and isn't always cut and dry.
There are many factors and many avenues for ROI. ROI is also not a linear thing, its not always from point a to point b.
Also we're not talking about a big new studio. We're talking about established Studios that have been around in some cases over a 100 years.
It starts at the box office. Disney Plus and theme parks won't leverage all the bombs. You still need to have some bread and butter hits to keep on keeping on.