Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Indy_UK]

Igers probably going to ‘Wish’ he never came back.

You could almost stomach the losses at Disney+ when your adding Movies like Force Awakens, End Game and Avatar 2 which made over $2 billion a piece as they’ve done their dues and will get people watching Disney+ but blimey, they’re in serious trouble now

How do you turn box office around when ‘every’ movie your releasing is losing big money?

 

[DKampy]

Also, if a family is going to budget, and pick one movie to see over the holidays, if majority likely have Disney+, and not Peacock, it makes sense many would prioritize seeing Trolls, and wait for Wish on streaming.

I think Trolls is one of the biggest factors, it’s splitting the audience.

Not at all, there are countless wonderful movies with strong lead female characters, including the billion dollar Barbie this summer.

Not hard to understand the difference.

Or as they said in Spinal Tap, “It’s a fine line between clever and stupid”.

Did you see both movies… because I did… one was woke and feminist and the other just happened to feature females as leads

 

[TsWade2]

Like I said, Disney needs to give up releasing movies to movie theaters and releasing them to DisneyPlus instead. Movie theaters are become extinct. Yes, it’s my doom and gloom moment, but I’m also being realistic. And I’m still upset that Wish flopped!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree it’s a sign of the times, and the entire industry needs to adjust, especially Disney. Budgets must be decreased.

Luckily next year I think Disney will be better off, simply from a much slimmed down release calendar.

Nothing to generate much interest though…so a bad revenue year is pretty baked in

 

[Disney Analyst]

Nothing to generate much interest though…so a bad revenue year is pretty baked in

I think Inside Out 2 will be a hit.

 

[doctornick]

Then why do you think it flopped so badly at the box office with women of all ages (plus Gen Z boys aged 18 to 25) and the audience that did see it were 61% male and mostly over age 25?

Why do you think women in both the USA and overseas failed to show up to see The Marvels?

I really don’t know. I can guess reasons but don’t know the ultimate factors with any certainty.

What I do know, having seen the film, is that is isn’t “pandering” to anyone in particular. It’s just a typical MCU film.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Did you see both movies… because I did… one was woke and feminist and the other just happened to feature females as leads

Both are more what the audience wants to see…so those that cannot do that…really can’t judge those that are as it stands

 

[Miru]

And what do the bottom two lines on that chart have in common (besides losing $200M each in shareholder money)? Directed by “women of color” whose prior experience when chosen to direct $200++ budgeted superhero movies were tiny budgeted indie movies with no global market experience.

Disney (and Latondra specifically) made quite a big deal about their selection at the time.

Wonder if anybody at Disney has any learning from these disasters or will it continue to be “importance” over “profits”.

They deserve everything they are getting….

There are some people learning, but they are being sabotaged and pushed out by the people in charge. Filoni managed to take over SW but it’s too late now and Kennedy has too much control.

 

[Indy_UK]

I think Inside Out 2 will be a hit.

Probably more Cars 2 than ToyStory 4 numbers at best

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Inside Out 2 will be a hit.

It probably will…if it doesn’t suck

Disney movies have consistently sucked for a LONG time now.

Even if Inside out is well Received…what’s the ceiling?

 

[Miru]

I really don’t know. I can guess reasons but don’t know the ultimate factors with any certainty.

What I do know, having seen the film, is that is isn’t “pandering” to anyone in particular. It’s just a typical MCU film.

Captain Marvel, even in the comics, is now a totally tainted brand due to her actions over the years (and to boot it would be better if the male Captain was kept deceased because of how well done his demise was) regardless of media, and the butt-ugly presentation all the while. Ant-Man was once tainted on a similar level to CM, and it took decades to wash off the stink of him being a joke character and wifebeater, and the Hank Pym character hasn’t recovered in the comics since. The Captain Marvel brand/character is so tainted in the eyes of the general public that she really needs to be put aside for decades to recover.

 

[DKampy]

Both are more what the audience wants to see…so those that cannot do that…really can’t judge those that are as it stands

Right I was asking to those that claim that The Marvels was pandering

 

[Indy_UK]

I really don’t know. I can guess reasons but don’t know the ultimate factors with any certainty.

What I do know, having seen the film, is that is isn’t “pandering” to anyone in particular. It’s just a typical MCU film.

Maybe that’s the answer then. Most women see it as another Marvel movie for the guys regardless of the characters?

Any Marvel movie with female leads is not going to draw in the same women who go to see Barbie or Mama Mia. Never going to happen

 

[Miru]

It probably will…if it doesn’t suck

Disney movies have consistently sucked for a LONG time now.

Even if Inside out is well Received…what’s the ceiling?

Mid 2022 to now isn’t that long. Or if we count Marvel that’s even shorter thanks to Vol 3.

 

[celluloid]

Mid 2022 to now isn’t that long. Or if we count Marvel that’s even shorter thanks to Vol 3.

Volume 3 was pretty good. James Gunn knows what he is doing and he has gotten Disney hands ot back off.

However, that was a tablau goodbye movie to those characters and it wont be back to that high ever again.

I will be so bold to say outside of Sony and some miracle reunion of OG Avengers, you won't ever see that high again in the MCU.

Time to take a few years out of cinema and let it be wanted more, and it is a bad time for Disney to need what Disney has milked dry.


Guys, a Disney animated Thanksgiving release was beat out by a 2 and a half hour Rated R Epic that also did meh for audiences' initial trust.

The times are so different, and Illumination's next profit machine is coming in just a few weeks.

 

[drizgirl]

Speaking of movies by ladies, for ladies.... here's how The Marvels stacks up against the other three most successful box office movies of 2023 that were aimed at a young female demographic.

It's interesting that young women failed to show up for The Marvels, and that film's very low box office was really only fueled by men over age 25. Why didn't the women of the world support inclusive stories of female empowerment from Marvel?

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I rarely show up for movies I’m “supposed “ to see.

 

[doctornick]

Maybe that’s the answer then. Most women see it as another Marvel movie for the guys regardless of the characters?

Any Marvel movie with female leads is not going to draw in the same women who go to see Barbie or Mama Mia. Never going to happen

I wouldn’t have expected The Marvels to necessarily draw women in droves or anything because, again, it’s just a typical MCU film*. I did think it would draw a typical broad four quadrant audience as many MCU films have in the past. Not because it was a “female” film but simply because it was a fun, breezy action film. Alas I was way off.

Though I do think most anyone going in to see it with the expectations of a fun action film would be entertained and satisfied rather than disappointed. The bigger issue is either the advertising, premise or word of mouth just isn’t doing it to draw people in.

*and unlike Black Panther which had brought in a lot of non MCU fans, that was more due to the uniqueness of a fully Black mainstream superhero film. There’s been plenty of women led action/superhero films so it’s not nearly as novel.

 

[Miru]

Volume 3 was pretty good. Peter Gunn knows what he is doing and he has gotten Disney hands ot back off.

However, that was a tablau goodbye movie to those characters and it wont be back to that high ever again.

I will be so bold to say outside of Sony and some miracle reunion of OG Avengers, you won't ever see that high again in the MCU.

Time to take a few years out of cinema and let it be wanted more, and it is a bad time for Disney to need what Disney has milked dry.


Guys, a Disney animated Thanksgiving releases was beat out by a 2 and a half hour Rated R Epic that also did meh for audiences' initial trust.

The times are so different, and Illumination's next profit machine is coming in just a few weeks.

Even then, fully Sony Marvel films aren’t a guarantee of quality at all (Morbius, though at least it’s charming and not pure agony), and it looks like Beyond the Spider Verse will be their “Vol 3” to to speak, with Madame Web being every bit as “important” as what Disney is doing at their worst.

 

[Indy_UK]

I think there’s a lot of reasons why the marvel films are not working but a big factor is the commitment that Marvel expects from the viewer.

Most didn’t mind it in phase 1, but people don’t want to have to watch every movie and TV show to understand what’s going on.

I saw Guardians 3 because I knew it was tied to its trilogy. Anything since, forget it

 

[LittleBuford]

I saw Indy. I thought it had some issues, but I'm still glad we went. I saw Haunted Mansion. My Disney loving daughter asked if we should leave after the first 30 minutes (we didn't but neither of us will watch it again).

As for the rest, every single person who goes to movies forms some sort of an opinion from a variety of sources when deciding whether to spend hard earned money buying tickets for their family. I'm disappointed there haven't been more Disney options that earned good enough reviews for me to pull the trigger and go.

All perfectly respectable and fair opinions. These aren’t the kind of comments I was referring to.