Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

Ding ding ding !!

We have a winner.

The problem is the solutions will more than likely take 20 years.

That doesn’t do a person in their prime working years any good does it?

Universal Basic Income, as an example, could be instituted next year in the US if there was the will from Washington. Currently there isn't the will. However if you look at a state like Alaska, which is fairly conservative and has a statewide Basic Income, it can be done and is a popular program. So there is hope that in the next few cycles it'll be brought up again and seriously discussed.

 

[Trauma]

Universal Basic Income, as an example, could be instituted next year in the US if there was the will from Washington. Currently there isn't the will. However if you look at a state like Alaska, which is fairly conservative and has a statewide Basic Income, it can be done and is a popular program. So there is hope that in the next few cycles it'll be brought up again and seriously discussed.

I wish I could agree with you but look how long it’s taken to not fix the healthcare system.

Things just don’t seem to change much in Washington.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Universal Basic Income, as an example, could be instituted next year in the US if there was the will from Washington. Currently there isn't the will. However if you look at a state like Alaska, which is fairly conservative and has a statewide Basic Income, it can be done and is a popular program. So there is hope that in the next few cycles it'll be brought up again and seriously discussed.

The first universal health care program was in Massachusetts. They’re as cranky as anyone.
Very popular.

The governor? Mitt Romney

 

[Casper Gutman]

MCU is gonna Peter out before that ever can Happen at this rate unless they switch it up…
This multiverse is barely keeping its head above water and Avengers B team vs the Easter egg is floppy

The MCU has had one… that’s ONE recent bomb, surrounded by hits. Save your gloating for after the Marvels underperforms, which will make me quite sad but bring a lot of ghoulish glee to some here.

 

[Disney Irish]

MCU is gonna Peter out before that ever can Happen at this rate unless they switch it up…
This multiverse is barely keeping its head above water and Avengers B team vs the Easter egg is floppy

Deadpool 3 is releasing next summer, barring any delays from the strike. So not sure how you think the MCU is going to "peter out" before then.

But hey you've always thought the MCU wasn't going to be long for this world for a long time now.

 

[Trauma]

The MCU has had one… that’s ONE recent bomb, surrounded by hits. Save your gloating for after the Marvels underperforms, which will make me quite sad but bring a lot of ghoulish glee to some here.

Depends on the goalposts I guess.

I’m sure it will be something like, well it lost money at the box office but Disney is paying Disney $100m to stream it.

Don’t forget all the action figures it’s not gonna sell!

 

[Trauma]

You're a strange person.

https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/science-reveals-how-elon-musk-can-work-120-per-week-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-time-management.html

It's no secret that Elon Musk puts a tremendous number of hours into his work, famously working upwards of 120 hours per week, and sharing his opinion that founders need to work 80-plus hours a week.



Like I said many business leaders would make me look lazy in comparison.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Deadpool 3 is releasing next summer, barring any delays from the strike. So not sure how you think the MCU is going to "peter out" before then.

But hey you've always thought the MCU wasn't going to be long for this world for a long time now.

Because they keep making less and less…going hand and hand with less attention/buzz
Its called diminishing returns…and we’ve been talking about it for weeks.

They have all fallen short of goals/expectations with the exception of GOTG and now we have some writedowns coming in.

Very LFL…and that’s working out like a dream, isn’t it?

And I never said that…for a second…I said downswing and this just in: developing news there.
Don’t lie to “win” an internet argument with strangers. Or at least - don’t try it with me. Mmmmkay?

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The MCU seems to be on a bit of a downswing in terms of business and interest, but the good news it's still pretty reliable. Can't say the same thing for DC, who were expecting big things from the return of Keaton's Batman.

Now they're counting on Gunn to turn things around. He did an amazing job with Guardians for sure, but how much of that was due to the source material? I haven't loved his other stuff as much. Can he deliver with Superman?

Unlike DC, Marvel is not in danger of being irrelevant or needing a full reboot.

They need at least a few big stars who can engage audiences. Downey Jr, Evans, Boseman. These guys had charisma and could carry the films even if their co-stars weren't on the same level. The only actor I really love in the MCU right now is Cumberbatch. For the Avengers to turn things around you need those big leads.

 

[Disney Irish]

https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/science-reveals-how-elon-musk-can-work-120-per-week-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-time-management.html

It's no secret that Elon Musk puts a tremendous number of hours into his work, famously working upwards of 120 hours per week, and sharing his opinion that founders need to work 80-plus hours a week.



Like I said many business leaders would make me look lazy in comparison.

There is a difference between a business leader like a CEO and say the janitor that cleans up after them. So saying that janitor must work 80+ a week to survive just because the CEO works 120 hours per week is ridiculous.

 

[Trauma]

There is a difference between a business leader like a CEO and say the janitor that cleans up after them. So saying that janitor must work 80+ a week to survive just because the CEO works 120 hours per week is ridiculous.

Agreed.

My response was to the fact the poster was implying that I was lying about my work life for the first 10 years of my business.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because they keep making less and less…going hand and hand with less attention/buzz

Its called diminishing returns…and we’ve been talking about it for weeks.

They have all fallen short of goals/expectations with the exception of GOTG and now we have some writedowns coming in.

Very LFL…and that’s working out like a dream, isn’t it?

MCU is going to have highs and lows in the box office, that is one thing that is guaranteed. Its never going to have high box office every time up to the plate, that was and is not sustainable.

There will be MCU movies though that are more likely to be successes, and Deadpool 3 is one of them in my opinion. We'll see what happens next summer.

But one thing is for sure, its not going to all implode between now and the time Deadpool 3 releases, no matter what happens to the Marvels.

And I never said that…for a second…I said downswing and this just in: developing news there.
Don’t lie to “win” an internet argument with strangers. Or at least - don’t try it with me. Mmmmkay?

Its no lie, because when you say things like this in conversations about the MCU it makes me think you're thinking its not long for this world:

But this MCU stuff isn’t gonna last 40 years…it will fade as all things do…

But hey maybe I'm mistaken....

 

[TalkingHead]

Doubting Deadpool is silly. His integration into the MCU will be an enormous selling point, as will Jackman (and, seemingly, all of the Fox Marvel characters). Unless it’s unimaginably awful, it’s as close to sure fire as you can get.

I know you want it to be the late-60s in Hollywood again, but it’s just not. Cheap horror is the ONLY reliable mid- or low-budget genre - and Disney makes those. Comedies and dramas are suffering even more than tentpoles. One of the big stories of last year is just how badly the prestige, Oscar-y dramas performed. Things like Book Club 2 and No Hard Feelings, which might once have brought in a bit of cash, bombed. Despite this, of course, Disney still produces its fair share of dramas through Searchlight.

How do you incorporate hard-R Deadpool into PG-13 MCU fare without watering down the character’s appeal? Sorry, but Deadpool will do well because it’s not like all the other MCU stuff.

Don’t really see what late-60s movie landscape has to do with this. The point is Disney is backed into a corner of their own making. They spent a decade training gen audiences to show up most reliably for franchise installments and now those franchises’ appeal has waned. If anything, it sounds like you’re the one wishing it was 2012 when Marvel was the biggest thing in the movie world.

 

[Disney Irish]

How do you incorporate hard-R Deadpool into PG-13 MCU fare without watering down the character’s appeal?

By keeping it hard R, this has been confirmed by Iger, Feige, and Reynolds himself. Filming already started, now shutdown due to the strike. But its coming, and will be here next year, in all hard R glory. We even know the basic story they will be telling, which is based off of the

Spoiler: Deadpool3 Spoiler

"Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe" comic.

So I don't see the character's appeal being watered down at all just because he is added into the MCU, but ymmv.

 

[Jedijax719]

https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/science-reveals-how-elon-musk-can-work-120-per-week-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-time-management.html

It's no secret that Elon Musk puts a tremendous number of hours into his work, famously working upwards of 120 hours per week, and sharing his opinion that founders need to work 80-plus hours a week.



Like I said many business leaders would make me look lazy in comparison.

What huge corporation do you run?

 

[DKampy]

I watch very little content a week. Usually 2 hours.

The post was referring to people who are not wealthy. How I spend my free time will be different then someone who hasn’t achieved financial success.

Watching tv is a horrible habit that I actively work to avoid. It has no redeemable value whatsoever.

You may not have time for TV, but you have plenty of time to complain on a Disney fan forum

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

 

[doctornick]

The MCU has had one… that’s ONE recent bomb, surrounded by hits. Save your gloating for after the Marvels underperforms, which will make me quite sad but bring a lot of ghoulish glee to some here.

Define "recent" but there's been two MCU films that have done poorly (Eternals, Quantumania). Even movies that people harp on as "underperforming" like Love & Thunder or Wakanda Forever did fine and the results seem more consistent with a general depression in movie box office post-pandemic than something "wrong" with the films themselves.

Personally, I am on record that The Marvels will do well despite what the detractors here say. I'm expecting something like $750-850M worldwide.

 

[Trauma]

What huge corporation do you run?

I don’t.

I run a small business with slightly less than 38M a year in annual revenue last year.

However for someone with no education like me that took a lot of work and trial and error.

I’m sure someone with your vast knowledge would be able to snap their fingers and make that happen with a 20 hour work week.

It didn’t work that way for me.

 

[Trauma]

You may not have time for TV, but you have plenty of time to complain on a Disney fan forum

That was when I was starting.

I certainly don’t work that much anymore.