Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Its no lie, because when you say things like this in conversations about the MCU it makes me think you're thinking its not long for this world:



But hey maybe I'm mistaken....

wow…in what language did you actually make a point there?

the one with 25 years left on that “prediction” clock?

I didn’t think they’d slide as much as they have since the blip as they have…to be honest.

Now they have no Star pull and pretty awful stories coming out.

 

[Disney Irish]

wow…in what language did you actually make a point there?

the one with 25 years left on that “prediction” clock?

I didn’t think they’d slide as much as they have since the blip as they have…to be honest.

Now they have no Star pull and pretty awful stories coming out.

You've been stating for a long time that your opinion is the MCU is too far in the comic "weeds" and having no "star power", even repeating the latter in this post. I've taken that to mean you believe the MCU is not going to have the lasting power. But if you don't really believe that then I'm mistaken.

And in reality, as @doctornick pointed out, there have only really been two MCU films that have truly done poor. And the others post-pandemic have been wrapped up in what we've been talking about regarding the overall depressed box office, not an indictment on the movies' quality. So I don't see that as "panic time" because the MCU is not actually imploding.

We'll see how Marvels and Deadpool 3 does, as those are the next two releases for the MCU. But short of some complete box office implosion in Hollywood I expect them to do pretty respectably.

 

[erasure fan1]

And the others post-pandemic have been wrapped up in what we've been talking about regarding the overall depressed box office, not an indictment on the movies' quality.

I'd say Love and thunder was received pretty poorly. It was down from Ragnarok and I would put that squarely from the quality department. It's not a flop by any means, but it was a pretty big dip in quality in my opinion.

 

[Phroobar]

You've been stating for a long time that your opinion is the MCU is too far in the comic "weeds" and having no "star power", even repeating the latter in this post. I've taken that to mean you believe the MCU is not going to have the lasting power. But if you don't really believe that then I'm mistaken.

And in reality, as @doctornick pointed out, there have only really been two MCU films that have truly done poor. And the others post-pandemic have been wrapped up in what we've been talking about regarding the overall depressed box office, not an indictment on the movies' quality. So I don't see that as "panic time" because the MCU is not actually imploding.

We'll see how Marvels and Deadpool 3 does, as those are the next two releases for the MCU. But short of some complete box office implosion in Hollywood I expect them to do pretty respectably.

It will be interesting to see how Deadpool 3 does since it is rated R. It feels like adults aren't coming to the theater in general. Oppenheimer should be a tea leaf for the future.


Guys, never take a girl to a comic book movie. It only gives her two and half hours to wonder why she is with you in the first place.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You've been stating for a long time that your opinion is the MCU is too far in the comic "weeds" and having no "star power", even repeating the latter in this post. I've taken that to mean you believe the MCU is not going to have the lasting power. But if you don't really believe that then I'm mistaken.

And in reality, as @doctornick pointed out, there have only really been two MCU films that have truly done poor. And the others post-pandemic have been wrapped up in what we've been talking about regarding the overall depressed box office, not an indictment on the movies' quality. So I don't see that as "panic time" because the MCU is not actually imploding.

We'll see how Marvels and Deadpool 3 does, as those are the next two releases for the MCU. But short of some complete box office implosion in Hollywood I expect them to do pretty respectably.

But they’ve been kinda bad…and the “bad receivership” is kinda rolling now

doctor strange was decent…but heading off the grid
Love and thunder was bad
Wakanda was ok…but they have an unfortunate dead end there
Quantumania was straight bad
Marvels we’ll see…kinda looks like a dumb comedy though?

What up next.

It takes time for trends to develop. My “stay off the deep dive” concept is still looking pretty solid.

But you want to claim some kind of “victory”?

Then they need more guardians. That was a good movie.

Let’s see it.

Declining return not good. No way to really spin that.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'd say Love and thunder was received pretty poorly. It was down from Ragnarok and I would put that squarely from the quality department. It's not a flop by any means, but it was a pretty big dip in quality in my opinion.

It got a B+ from CinemaScore and 77% from RT, which is on par with the first Thor. So ymmv in terms of opinions on quality, but overall it was received as ok.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It will be interesting to see how Deadpool 3 does since it is rated R. It feels like adults aren't coming to the theater in general. Oppenheimer should be a tea leaf for the future.

Oppenheimer is an NC

Edit: it had a scene and received and an NC…looks like they cut it/toned it back?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It got a B+ from CinemaScore and 77% from RT, which is on par with the first Thor. So ymmv in terms of opinions on quality, but overall it was received as ok.

We are doing the ratings again? It doesn’t matter if it’s not making enough money on trajectory.
That means not enough people are SEEING it to keep the whole studio moving in the right direction.

“Tickets sold matters…most.”
- the Walt Disney company

It’s stupid to keep trying to win a losing argument with every movie. It’s just not accurate.

 

[Disney Irish]

It will be interesting to see how Deadpool 3 does since it is rated R. It feels like adults aren't coming to the theater in general. Oppenheimer should be a tea leaf for the future.

I wouldn't put them on the same level, as one is a serious bio-pic, and the other is comedy.

However yes it'll be interesting to see how Oppenheimer does.

Guys, never take a girl to a comic book movie. It only gives her two and half hours to wonder why she is with you in the first place.

Does discount the girls who love comics, its a huge population now.

 

[Phroobar]

Oppenheimer is an NC

So? Deadpool is Deadpool. They both have their geeks but doesn't mean regular people will show up. We'll see though.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Does discount the girls who love comics, its a huge population now.

Oh it’s “huge” alright

 

[Phroobar]

I wouldn't put them on the same level, as one is a serious bio-pic, and the other is comedy.

However yes it'll be interesting to see how Oppenheimer does.


Does discount the girls who love comics, its a huge population now.

Just like those gamer chicks.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So? Deadpool is Deadpool. They both have their geeks but doesn't mean regular people will show up. We'll see though.

Deadpool will do well. If it Doesn’t suck. If it does - it will sink too.

Changing movie consumption habits and fatigue keeps happening

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just like those gamer chicks.

GameStop looks like the Victoria secret fashion show 97 these days

 

[Disney Irish]

We are doing the ratings again? It doesn’t matter if it’s not making enough money on trajectory.
That means not enough people are SEEING it to keep the whole studio moving in the right direction.

“Tickets sold matters…most.”
- the Walt Disney company

It’s stupid to keep trying to win a losing argument with every movie. It’s just not accurate.

The post was about its quality, hence the ratings matter here.

As for box office, it made money. Maybe not truck loads, but it wasn't a write down for the Mouse.

‘Thor: Love And Thunder’, Despite Not Swinging As Big A Hammer As ‘Ragnarok’, Still Profits As No. 9 In Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament

Thor: Love and Thunder still profited after all ancillaries with $103 million, despite not being a franchise favorite among fans or critics.

deadline.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The post was about its quality, hence the ratings matter here.

As for box office, it made money. Maybe not truck loads, but it wasn't a write down for the Mouse.

‘Thor: Love And Thunder’, Despite Not Swinging As Big A Hammer As ‘Ragnarok’, Still Profits As No. 9 In Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament

Thor: Love and Thunder still profited after all ancillaries with $103 million, despite not being a franchise favorite among fans or critics.

deadline.com

You’re debating “quality” because they aren’t making enough money…5 years ago it was all lauding bucks and the “q” word never came up. Check the tape

Are we done playing in the mental sandbox for today?
Let’s see how the next one does before we claim that comic book fringes are here to stay?

 

[Disney Irish]

But they’ve been kinda bad…and the “bad receivership” is kinda rolling now

doctor strange was decent…but heading off the grid
Love and thunder was bad
Wakanda was ok…but they have an unfortunate dead end there
Quantumania was straight bad
Marvels we’ll see…kinda looks like a dumb comedy though?

What up next.

It takes time for trends to develop. My “stay off the deep dive” concept is still looking pretty solid.

But you want to claim some kind of “victory”?

Then they need more guardians. That was a good movie.

Let’s see it.

Declining return not good. No way to really spin that.

Not sure what you're talking about regarding "claiming victory", this is a discussion not a tournament. I was just pointing out what you've said in the past about the MCU, sorry if you don't remember your own posts on the topic. Old age will do that to you, it happens to me sometimes too, more often as I get older.

Anyways, your quality assessment aside, again only 2 MCU films have done poorly. Yes Quantumania was one of those, even though I actually enjoyed it.

If you mean they need Guardians 4, nah, move on from that. If you mean they need a movie that does well like Guardians 3, yes I agree. My opinion is Deadpool 3 with be that movie.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'd say Love and thunder was received pretty poorly. It was down from Ragnarok and I would put that squarely from the quality department. It's not a flop by any means, but it was a pretty big dip in quality in my opinion.

It made more than Ragnarok in every market in which it was allowed to play. The fall off was due entirely to the fact that it didn’t open in China or Russia.

 

[Disney Irish]

You’re debating “quality” because they aren’t making enough money…5 years ago it was all lauding bucks and the “q” word never came up. Check the tape

Are we done playing in the mental sandbox for today?
Let’s see how the next one does before we claim that comic book fringes are here to stay?

You and I will just never see eye-to-eye on the MCU. But I'll never be done "playing in the sandbox" on this topic.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I think the key difference there is that 99% of the children in the audience have a mother and father (even if some are only being raised by one parent by the time they are old enough to go to the movies). A child knows that children have mothers and fathers instinctually. And not because they were taught that specifically, but because themselves and every other child they know was created the same way, by a woman and a man who are a mother and father. As the old Western Airlines ad used to say... It's The Only Way To Fly.

I say that as someone who is dear friends with a gay couple out in Palm Springs who had two wonderful sons via surrogacy, long before it was even a thing that people talked about. They had to go to a special clinic up in Portland, which was the only one at the time on the West Coast that offered such a service to a gay couple. But that couple knows that they are a very rare minority, and they are very thankful for the support they've received from friends and family over the years. And the stories they could tell about dealing with the public school system in the otherwise liberal Coachella Valley are incredible.

A child sitting in a movie theater in 2023 has less than a tiny, tiny chance of being a surrogate child with two Lesbian moms or two gay dads. So there's no need to force the issue on the 99.5% of the rest of the audience who wants to wait to discuss sexuality and sex with their children at the time that is most appropriate for their own family's culture and religion and value system.

And a PG rated cartoon movie from Walt Disney Animation doesn't seem like the right time or place for most parents, which probably helps explain the horrendous box office for Strange World. (Plus the fact the movie was apparently not very good.)

We’re back to this again, are we?