Tha Realest
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There’s an endless sea of children’s entertainment available on countless apps, and vacation destinations that are increasingly more family friendly cost wise than Disney.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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TP2000
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That's about where I am on this topic as well.
The parks are really the one thing Disney still has that are irreplaceable for many, or at least not easily replaced for others. But Universal is investing and has an opportunity there as the 2020's roll along...
The movies, less solid than the parks and increasingly vulnerable. Which is why Disney has lost almost 900 Million on their last 8 tentpole Christmas/Summer mega movies. But not all of that can be blamed on socio-politics, some of it is due to the movies just not being very good, let alone not hitting the pop culture zeitgeist like Top Gun Maverick, or Minions Rise of Gru. (And here comes Barbie.)
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erasure fan1
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I agree, there's a ton of things you can go and do for a family vacation that aren't Disney. Where Disney has the advantage, is the nostalgia factor. They can drive things into the ground and then double down. People will leave, find other things, be mad at Disney... I just don't think they stay away if Disney decides to pull back on all the nonsense. That nostalgia draw is pretty high.
Jedijax719
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The title of this thread needs to change to "Movie studios at the box office-so what happens now?".
Sirwalterraleigh
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We’ll just to give background: this thread was started to give mermaid that old “half hit” treatment when it met resistance in the other thread (cuz math)…ever so slyly…
But that hasn’t changed…nickels are pouring in
But now we got a Pixar flop in since and Indy heading right down Broadway
It’s like Jurassic park: the Dinos are eating the people who cleverly built the cages .
Enjoy
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TP2000
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We’ll just to give background: this thread was started to give mermaid that old “half hit” treatment when it met resistance in the other thread (cuz math)…ever so slyly…
But that hasn’t changed…nickels are pouring in
But now we got a Pixar flop in since and Indy heading right down Broadway
It’s like Jurassic park: the Dinos are eating the people who cleverly built the cages .
Enjoy
Elemental isn't going to break even, that's obvious now. Mermaid might break even, but needs good headwinds for the next 10 days.
And next month Indiana Jones 3: Slaying The Sharp Pencil Boys is going to be really interesting to watch with that $300 Million budget.
Using the most optimistic box office take home for all of Disney's studios of 60% domestic and 40% overseas:
So far, what we can say about the Summer of '23 is... Thank God for Marvel. Again.
Guardians 3 Production/Marketing = $400 Million
Guardians 3 Box 60%/40% Box Office Take = $412 Million
Guardians 3 Net Profit = $12 Million
The Little Mermaid Production/Marketing = $400 Million
The Little Mermaid 60%/40% Box Office Take So Far = $254 Million
The Little Mermaid Net Loss So Far = $146 Million
Elemental Production/Marketing = $300 Million
Elemental 60%/40% Box Office Take So Far = $61 Million
Elemental Net Loss So Far = $239 Million
Total Net Loss So Far Summer '23 = $373 Million
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Minnesota disney fan
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Nostalgia only goes so far. My grown kids/grandkids have zero nostalgia for disney. They love Universal, beach vacations, and other attractions. I was surprised that this has happened so fast in my family. I still have some nostalgia but I am older and have been to WDW many times since l977. However, they have found many ways to kill that in me recently. I will come back if things change, and we all know what they are. If not, then goodbye with much sadness.
Sirwalterraleigh
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So the little mermaid final take is about $525 worldwide?
They needed $640-670 to cover budget/cuts and marketing?
Hmmmm…at least we got Indy.
screenrant.com
They needed $640-670 to cover budget/cuts and marketing?
Hmmmm…at least we got Indy.
The Little Mermaid's Box Office Letdown Looks Even Worse Compared To 1 Other Disney Remake
One film makes The Little Mermaid's letdown worse.
screenrant.com
Casper Gutman
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So the little mermaid final take is about $525 worldwide?
They needed $640-670 to cover budget/cuts and marketing?
Hmmmm…at least we got Indy.
The Little Mermaid's Box Office Letdown Looks Even Worse Compared To 1 Other Disney Remake
One film makes The Little Mermaid's letdown worse.
‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question
In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.
deadline.com
sorry to disappoint you.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That was MAY 31st…‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question
In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.
sorry to disappoint you.
I gave you the June 27 take.
Guess Hailee isn’t getting the Lambo, huh?
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GhostHost1000
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…but but but…disney movies always do awesome. The math is wrong and the YouTuber is bad or something
No worries, I think Elemental is going to have a strong come back though. I mean think about it, it was having to compete against mermaid. Indy will bat cleanup and knock it out of the park no doubt
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You know…I don’t wish for any Disney to fail……but but but…disney movies always do awesome. The math is wrong and the YouTuber is bad or something
No worries, I think Elemental is going to have a strong come back though. I mean think about it, it was having to compete against mermaid. Indy will bat cleanup and knock it out of the park no doubt
Well…ok…the last Johnson was the biggest piece of hot garbage in history and should have been booed out of the theater on night one…
But aside from that I don’t want any Disney movie to fail.
Why? Cause it’s awful for US…Disney fans. There’s nothing “good” about loses.
But what gets me is not the debate over the reasons it failed. That’s valid. It’s all the excuses/shouting down that it did fail. Sanctimonious, Disney worshiping crap.
We should all be capable of accepting reality and then discussing the meaning on a respective level. That is not being done with movies.
The calculations in Hollywood tend to shake out. For instance…we’ll know all we need to know about Indy by Sunday.
That’s how it is.
Mermaid wasn’t a disastrous flop…but it is a failure for Disney.
Bang the gavel. It’s done.
Indy_UK
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I’ve said previously in other threads on what I think Disney need to do:
1. Reign in the productions budgets. Animated films should not be costing $200 million
2. Get better writers for their productions. I’ve heard Apple make their productions on small budgets and are incredibly well written.
3. Re-introduce premier Access to Disney+ on all their cinema releases at $29.99 a pop. If people want to see it at home same day as cinema (which lets be honest, is in a constant decline) then make people pay for it.
4. Then all movies that are at the cinema/ Premier Access becomes free after 9 months.
5. I actually would not release movies straight to Disney+ for free like Hocus Pocus 2 or Pan & Wendy. Do them half the price at $14.99 but again make them free again after 9 months.
6. Have Blu-Ray, DVD and download releases set for 6 weeks after Cinema run.
7. By charging for premium content on Disney+ keep the main subscription price as low as possible.
8. Create good TV shows that people can invest in and have that as the new constant content going to Disney+
9.Like mentioned by others, plan your franchises better. They should be sitting down and have a team that are mapping out a Pirates of the Caribbean reboot that consists of TV shows held together with a 10 movie arc like MCU phase 1.
10. Get rid of Hulu and integrate that content in Star like done internationally. It looks like a better deal when logging into Disney+
11. Spread your content out more across platforms. Especially when we are talking about Marvel. Too much content in the last 2 years has made me switch off. It requires too much investment.
12. Every couple of years, maybe come up with an original story that could maybe start as a Disney+ show and become a series of movies?
1. Reign in the productions budgets. Animated films should not be costing $200 million
2. Get better writers for their productions. I’ve heard Apple make their productions on small budgets and are incredibly well written.
3. Re-introduce premier Access to Disney+ on all their cinema releases at $29.99 a pop. If people want to see it at home same day as cinema (which lets be honest, is in a constant decline) then make people pay for it.
4. Then all movies that are at the cinema/ Premier Access becomes free after 9 months.
5. I actually would not release movies straight to Disney+ for free like Hocus Pocus 2 or Pan & Wendy. Do them half the price at $14.99 but again make them free again after 9 months.
6. Have Blu-Ray, DVD and download releases set for 6 weeks after Cinema run.
7. By charging for premium content on Disney+ keep the main subscription price as low as possible.
8. Create good TV shows that people can invest in and have that as the new constant content going to Disney+
9.Like mentioned by others, plan your franchises better. They should be sitting down and have a team that are mapping out a Pirates of the Caribbean reboot that consists of TV shows held together with a 10 movie arc like MCU phase 1.
10. Get rid of Hulu and integrate that content in Star like done internationally. It looks like a better deal when logging into Disney+
11. Spread your content out more across platforms. Especially when we are talking about Marvel. Too much content in the last 2 years has made me switch off. It requires too much investment.
12. Every couple of years, maybe come up with an original story that could maybe start as a Disney+ show and become a series of movies?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
See I think they need to uncouple their movies from the stream
d+ is on a disastrous trajectory (Bob)…they’re gonna try to sell it as binding and commercialized like 1990 cable…
Forgetting what people thought of 90’s cable and how limited our entertainment was then
TP2000
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Here's the tail (get it?) of the tape as of global box offices reporting on June 29th.
Using the 60/40 split for domestic/overseas box office, plus the marketing budget of $150 Million (shockingly high like its production budget, but Disney marketed this movie hard globally) which gets us to a total production/marketing cost of $400 Million for Disney, here's where that stands going into this weekend:
Domestic Box Office = $276 Million, 60% is $166 Million to Disney
Overseas Box Office = $230 Million, 40% is $92 Million to Disney
Global Box Office = $505 Million, $258 Million To Disney Thus Far
$400 Million in costs against $258 Million in profits (thus far), means Disney has lost $142 Million (thus far) on this live action Little Mermaid.
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www.the-numbers.com
Using the 60/40 split for domestic/overseas box office, plus the marketing budget of $150 Million (shockingly high like its production budget, but Disney marketed this movie hard globally) which gets us to a total production/marketing cost of $400 Million for Disney, here's where that stands going into this weekend:
Domestic Box Office = $276 Million, 60% is $166 Million to Disney
Overseas Box Office = $230 Million, 40% is $92 Million to Disney
Global Box Office = $505 Million, $258 Million To Disney Thus Far
$400 Million in costs against $258 Million in profits (thus far), means Disney has lost $142 Million (thus far) on this live action Little Mermaid.
The Little Mermaid (2023) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of The Little Mermaid (2023) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
www.the-numbers.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You’re gonna start another tantrum…Here's the tail (get it?) of the tape as of global box offices reporting on June 29th.
Using the 60/40 split for domestic/overseas box office, plus the marketing budget of $150 Million (shockingly high like its production budget, but Disney marketed this movie hard globally) which gets us to a total production/marketing cost of $400 Million for Disney, here's where that stands going into this weekend:
Domestic Box Office = $276 Million, 60% is $166 Million to Disney
Overseas Box Office = $230 Million, 40% is $92 Million to Disney
Global Box Office = $505 Million, $258 Million To Disney Thus Far
$400 Million in costs against $258 Million in profits (thus far), means Disney has lost $142 Million (thus far) on this live action Little Mermaid.
The Little Mermaid (2023) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of The Little Mermaid (2023) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
TP2000
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Indy_UK
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I think they’re too invested now to separate the movies more.
I always wonder if they regret Disney+ and should have just kept the deal to license their content to Netflix. I guess it’s whether Netflix would have been willing to pay up anymore.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They absolutely should have just farmed out their content on lucrative deals
Bob screwed that chihuahua too
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Vegas Disney Fan
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Have they ever released D+ projections?
I’d love to know what the internal forecasts looked like, if they were/are expecting 250 million subscriptions at $10 a month the logic to forego a couple hundred million from Netflix makes a lot more sense compared to the 100 million at $8 a month (or whatever) they are currently making.