Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

I don’t particularly care about Zegler, but I do care about the toxic bullying, normalized hatred, bad faith victimhood, and gleeful cruelty that drive this story and defines the country at the moment.

I share your concerns and hope I didn’t suggest otherwise.

 

[BrianLo]

What example are you referring to for context?

The obsession with Halle Bailey and Iman Vellani, when no one even mentions Owen Wilson, Harrison Ford or Jake Gyllenhal (nor really understands why I bring up their names unless they saw my prior posting on the subject) is the example.

Rachel actually made some political statements that were immature and therefore the vitriol is completely over the top. A deserved reaction mixed with the underlying undeserved reaction saved for young actresses. Bonus points if they aren’t Caucasian.

Because many (predominately) middle / older age men love piling on the young actresses, even when they don’t deserve it. @Dranth is pointing out the hypocrisy, rightfully.

I’ve barely stepped into it and didn’t engage in the last dedicated thread, because even if I think a couple comments were immature and inappropriate, she’s most certainly facing a overly sufficient amount of backlash. Nor do I honestly care that much about a Snow White remake. Bring on Thunderbolts*

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

led by some of the most powerful people in the nation

Some people just can't go one second without screaming about politics.

I hope you can go outside and be happy without involving politics in every single aspect of your life dude. I really do.

 

[Agent H]

The obsession with Halle Bailey and Iman Vellani, when no one even mentions Owen Wilson, Harrison Ford or Jake Gyllenhal (nor really understands why I bring up their names unless they saw my prior posting on the subject) is the example.

Rachel actually made some political statements that were immature and therefore the vitriol is completely over the top. A deserved reaction mixed with the underlying undeserved reaction saved for young actresses.

Because many (predominately) middle / older age men love piling on the young actresses, even when they don’t deserve it. @Dranth is pointing out the hypocrisy, rightfully.

I can’t sympathize with people who hate iman vellani especially. She’s a national treasure and must be protected at all costs.

 

[TalkingHead]

So how about the box office for the loony tunes movie?View attachment 848529

Not surprised. I know everyone online is saying it’s great but I didn’t think it worked well as a comedy. The average post-2020 Pixar title has better jokes, to say nothing of the classic Looney Tunes shorts.

 

[Dranth]

I don’t particularly care about Zegler, but I do care about the toxic bullying, normalized hatred, bad faith victimhood, and gleeful cruelty that drive this story and defines the country at the moment.

This, and before people get all upset, that doesn't mean everyone who is down on her or disagrees with her is like that, but there is a very vocal group who do this exact thing and far too many people sit by silently without pushing back.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I don't like being called or referred to as racist by posters on here because I don't like her actions.

 

[BrianLo]

I can’t sympathize with people who hate iman vellani especially. She’s a national treasure and must be protected.

I unabashedly support her as an actress and her character and hopes she’s a key player moving forward.

She oozes joy like Tom Holland and is an exceptional brand ambassador.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Some people just can't go one second without screaming about politics.

I hope you can go outside and be happy without involving politics in every single aspect of your life dude. I really do.

I’m not the one who made a Snow White remake (or Little Mermaid or Last Jedi or…) a major political flashpoint.

 

[BrianLo]

I don't like being called or referred to as racist by posters on here because I don't like her actions.

For the record I didn’t say that. I said targeting of every young actress of colour to the exclusion of white older male leads with equally controversial or sometimes even bigger flopping Disney products. I’m not applying a label to that either, pointing it out.

This is a wider commentary on the internet at large. If you don’t fall into that grouping, you aren’t falling into a pattern. Which I really don’t think your posting history suggests.

I myself am saying Rachel deserves some criticism and agree with you. But she falls into a more heavily targeted group for internet bullying from the jump. Fortunately she apologized for the worst of it at least, but it was still stupid and immature.

 

[Chi84]

I don't like being called or referred to as racist by posters on here because I don't like her actions.

I doubt anyone here is doing that. But if you read any article on Snow White and its controversies, race does come up as the initial objection to her. Based on that, people who really are racist started blowing out of proportion what she said about Snow White.

Do you mean actions as opposed to words or do you just mean that you don't like the views she expressed?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Not really going out on limb here but, looking at the abysmal weekend numbers, there are way too many tentpoles clustered up in May-July. Thunderbolts, Stitch, Elio, Fantastic Four, Mission Impossible, Jurassic World, Superman, F1, How to Train Your Dragon, etc.

How many casual moviegoers are going to shell out and go to see more than two of those? Could imagine a number of these doing ok numbers (e.g. $200M+ domestic) that still barely eke out a profit or fail to launch a franchise.

And if Superman doesn’t connect with casual movie watchers, WB is gonna look like it’s in total free fall.

It's crazy that in an age when media content can go viral at any time, Hollywood insist their big movies can only come out between May-July or Nov/Dec. We have box office precedence for hits outside those timeframes.

 

[Agent H]

I unabashedly support her as an actress and her character and hopes she’s a key player moving forward.

She oozes joy like Tom Holland and is an exceptional brand ambassador.

she’s the best casting in the mcu since Tom holland IMO

 

[Trauma]

So you’ve never said anything in the heat of the moment that you later regretted? You’ve never had a slip of the tongue and said something the wrong way and taken out of context?

Are you so perfect that you never make mistakes?

It doesn’t matter what “side” it was, we’re all human. As the saying goes “To err is human, to forgive divine”.

If I was a public figure getting payed millions to sell movie tickets you can bet your behind I wouldn’t make the mistake she did.

This is basic stuff you learn when you are young. Never talk religion or politics.

It’s just selfish and petty of her to do so.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think you're not getting the concept of people not caring about celebrities' social/political views. That goes both ways. I wish Gina Carano was still in The Mandalorian and still had the planned spin-off. I watch Signs because I think it's a great movie regardless of what Mel Gibson says. That's how it works.

Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty.

I think it’s important to note that those political remarks (which were indeed inappropriate and certainly warranted an apology) postdated the anti-Zegler rage that some of us here found baffling and disconcerting. Certain people were already very, very angry with her long before she uttered anything political—and all because she made some flippant remarks about an old film.

Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.

I can’t sympathize with people who hate iman vellani especially. She’s a national treasure and must be protected.

I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

 

[BrianLo]

(In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

Without getting super political, Canada sort of turned on Wayne Gretzky. So ironically, I agree there perhaps is no such thing! That Dark Knight quote is apt.

Or at least one that is infallible.

 

[Trauma]

Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty.



Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.



I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seems simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.

 

[LittleBuford]

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

Carano was asked by Disney to apologise and refused (as was her right). Had she said sorry, her situation would presumably have been handled differently.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seem simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.

The double standard is we are much more likely to forgive someone we agree with, much less likely to forgive someone we disagree with.

That’s true of fans and companies, Pedro Pascal made similarly inflammatory comments but since his were aligned with Hollywoods beliefs he’s still on the payroll. He wasn’t asked to take sensitivity classes, etc, just issue a nothing apology so they could cast him in more Disney roles.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It’s so weird that so many folks wants to forget how this issue began no matter how often they’re reminded.

It seems to me the people who deserve the harshest criticism here are the mob of people who attacked an actress because of her race, not the actress who said something unwise after months of relentless attacks.