Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[BrianLo]

I don't like being called or referred to as racist by posters on here because I don't like her actions.

For the record I didn’t say that. I said targeting of every young actress of colour to the exclusion of white older male leads with equally controversial or sometimes even bigger flopping Disney products. I’m not applying a label to that either, pointing it out.

This is a wider commentary on the internet at large. If you don’t fall into that grouping, you aren’t falling into a pattern. Which I really don’t think your posting history suggests.

I myself am saying Rachel deserves some criticism and agree with you. But she falls into a more heavily targeted group for internet bullying from the jump. Fortunately she apologized for the worst of it at least, but it was still stupid and immature.

 

[Chi84]

I don't like being called or referred to as racist by posters on here because I don't like her actions.

I doubt anyone here is doing that. But if you read any article on Snow White and its controversies, race does come up as the initial objection to her. Based on that, people who really are racist started blowing out of proportion what she said about Snow White.

Do you mean actions as opposed to words or do you just mean that you don't like the views she expressed?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Not really going out on limb here but, looking at the abysmal weekend numbers, there are way too many tentpoles clustered up in May-July. Thunderbolts, Stitch, Elio, Fantastic Four, Mission Impossible, Jurassic World, Superman, F1, How to Train Your Dragon, etc.

How many casual moviegoers are going to shell out and go to see more than two of those? Could imagine a number of these doing ok numbers (e.g. $200M+ domestic) that still barely eke out a profit or fail to launch a franchise.

And if Superman doesn’t connect with casual movie watchers, WB is gonna look like it’s in total free fall.

It's crazy that in an age when media content can go viral at any time, Hollywood insist their big movies can only come out between May-July or Nov/Dec. We have box office precedence for hits outside those timeframes.

 

[Agent H]

I unabashedly support her as an actress and her character and hopes she’s a key player moving forward.

She oozes joy like Tom Holland and is an exceptional brand ambassador.

she’s the best casting in the mcu since Tom holland IMO

 

[Trauma]

So you’ve never said anything in the heat of the moment that you later regretted? You’ve never had a slip of the tongue and said something the wrong way and taken out of context?

Are you so perfect that you never make mistakes?

It doesn’t matter what “side” it was, we’re all human. As the saying goes “To err is human, to forgive divine”.

If I was a public figure getting payed millions to sell movie tickets you can bet your behind I wouldn’t make the mistake she did.

This is basic stuff you learn when you are young. Never talk religion or politics.

It’s just selfish and petty of her to do so.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I think you're not getting the concept of people not caring about celebrities' social/political views. That goes both ways. I wish Gina Carano was still in The Mandalorian and still had the planned spin-off. I watch Signs because I think it's a great movie regardless of what Mel Gibson says. That's how it works.

Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty.

I think it’s important to note that those political remarks (which were indeed inappropriate and certainly warranted an apology) postdated the anti-Zegler rage that some of us here found baffling and disconcerting. Certain people were already very, very angry with her long before she uttered anything political—and all because she made some flippant remarks about an old film.

Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.

I can’t sympathize with people who hate iman vellani especially. She’s a national treasure and must be protected.

I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

 

[BrianLo]

(In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

Without getting super political, Canada sort of turned on Wayne Gretzky. So ironically, I agree there perhaps is no such thing! That Dark Knight quote is apt.

Or at least one that is infallible.

 

[Trauma]

Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty.



Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.



I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure )

How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seems simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.

 

[LittleBuford]

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

Carano was asked by Disney to apologise and refused (as was her right). Had she said sorry, her situation would presumably have been handled differently.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seem simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.

The double standard is we are much more likely to forgive someone we agree with, much less likely to forgive someone we disagree with.

That’s true of fans and companies, Pedro Pascal made similarly inflammatory comments but since his were aligned with Hollywoods beliefs he’s still on the payroll. He wasn’t asked to take sensitivity classes, etc, just issue a nothing apology so they could cast him in more Disney roles.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It’s so weird that so many folks wants to forget how this issue began no matter how often they’re reminded.

It seems to me the people who deserve the harshest criticism here are the mob of people who attacked an actress because of her race, not the actress who said something unwise after months of relentless attacks.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

With that number there is no hope whatsoever for revival of hand drawn animation.

Maybe if mainstream studios would market them actively and better, they wouldn’t fail.

Hopefully, Sony will be able to have some balls to distribute and actively and better market Fixed if they choose to distribute that movie on their own after the success of One Of Them Days.

 

[Trauma]

Carano was asked by Disney to apologise and refused (as was her right). Had she said sorry, her situation would presumably have been handled differently.

Why allow it to happen to begin with? It’s certainly not helping anything.

There are many jobs that pay far less that you are not allowed to speak about certain subjects.

 

[LittleBuford]

The double standard is we are much more likely to forgive someone we agree with, much less likely to forgive someone we disagree with.

That’s true of fans and companies, Pedro Pascal made similarly inflammatory comments but since his were aligned with Hollywoods beliefs he’s still on the payroll. He wasn’t asked to take sensitivity classes, etc, just issue a nothing apology so they could cast him in more Disney roles.

But the point is that Carano could also have remained on the Disney payroll had she issued a similar “nothing apology”. People keep holding her up as proof of Disney’s double standards while ignoring the fact that she knowingly chose to make herself an exception.

 

[LittleBuford]

Why allow it to happen to begin with? It’s certainly not helping anything.

There are many jobs that pay far less that you are not allowed to speak about certain subjects.

That’s a separate debate. I myself am not in favour of muzzling celebrities. To my mind, they have just as much right to speak out as anyone else.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

I don’t particularly care about Zegler, but I do care about the toxic bullying, normalized hatred, bad faith victimhood, and gleeful cruelty that drive this story and defines the country at the moment.

I have nothing against Zegler, like I said, it was definitely a missed opportunity for a better approach.
Country is still the same as it was in 2000, 2010,
2020.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

But the point is that Carano could also have remained on the Disney payroll had she issues a similar “nothing apology”. People keep holding her up as proof of Disney’s double standards while ignoring the fact that she knowingly chose to make herself an exception.

Apparently not since that’s part of her lawsuit….

She also said the company demanded she put out an apology, which she described as “one of those statements that almost makes you roll your eyes.” Carano offered to write her own apology which reportedly underwent several edits before the effort was ultimately abandoned.

 

[Trauma]

It’s so weird that so many folks wants to forget how this issue began no matter how often they’re reminded.

It seems to me the people who deserve the harshest criticism here are the mob of people who attacked an actress because of her race, not the actress who said something unwise after months of relentless attacks.

The same thing is happening right now with Potter.

Celebrities know what going to happen if they take a role like this.

Snape is very clearly described in the books many times.

Not to mention that Harry doesn’t trust him just because of how he looks.

How does that sound now?

Hey look a black professor, I certainly don’t trust him!

 

[Casper Gutman]

Country is still the same as it was in 2000, 2010,
2020.

This would be an ahistorical statement in any era, but in a period undergoing the most dramatic political and cultural changes since the 60s it demonstrates how determined a lot of people are to believe nothing ever changes despite all evidence.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That’s a separate debate. I myself am not in favour of muzzling celebrities. To my mind, they have just as much right to speak out as anyone else.

I agree in their personal life but it gets far more tricky when they are representing their employer, we have a very strict press policy where I work, everyone knows better than to comment on anything to the press, even praising your employer can get you fired if you’re discussing company business without permission.