Chi84
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The authors of many of these articles have their own agenda. That’s what’s meant by spin.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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LittleBuford
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The article was quite evenhanded, consisting mainly of quotations from various sources who presented a very mixed picture. I don’t think it had any particular spin.
easyrowrdw
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What is the agenda though? And what is the basis for concluding that the content of the articles noted here are driven by the agendas of the authors? Nothing like that jumped out at me so I was curious what the previous poster was seeing.
Chi84
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I was just saying that it’s often the case. I’m less concerned about spin than accuracy and credibility when you’re quoting anonymous sources.
People who have been recently laid off could possibly hold a grudge and exaggerate or worse if there’s no way they can be held accountable.
BrianLo
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Holds on Moana 2 are ‘alright’. More reflective of that A- CinemaScore mixed with the post holiday weekend.
Movie will do very, very well. Well over 1B. But I don’t think it will overtake IO2… though admittedly that’s on International and I find that very challenging to follow.
By the way, I forgot the original Frozen did 1.3B. What a ridiculous start to a franchise out of the gate!
Movie will do very, very well. Well over 1B. But I don’t think it will overtake IO2… though admittedly that’s on International and I find that very challenging to follow.
By the way, I forgot the original Frozen did 1.3B. What a ridiculous start to a franchise out of the gate!
Animaniac93-98
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And that was with next to nothing from Chinese box office grosses!
It's why I've been saying anything less than $1 billion for Frozen 3 will be considered a disappointment.
BrianLo
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Agree. I can’t imagine that does less than that. I think the franchise still has a lot more goodwill from Frozen 2 than it gets credit for here.
DisneyWarrior27
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Moana 2 as of today is officially at $600M worldwide ($300M domestic and $300M overseas).
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
So it has $400M left to go before making $1B worldwide.
It’ll get there by year’s end or new year’s beginning.
But how far it’ll go (no pun intended) above that is anyone’s guess.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
So it has $400M left to go before making $1B worldwide.
It’ll get there by year’s end or new year’s beginning.
But how far it’ll go (no pun intended) above that is anyone’s guess.
Industrial Light and Magic in Vancouver is unionized.
WDAS in Burbank is unionized.
Other satellite animation studios of Disney, including the one in Vancouver, is in the process of maybe becoming unionized. Many, many animation studios have recently become or are in the process of becoming unionized.
Hopefully, that will end "the crunch" and low morale.
WDAS in Burbank is unionized.
Other satellite animation studios of Disney, including the one in Vancouver, is in the process of maybe becoming unionized. Many, many animation studios have recently become or are in the process of becoming unionized.
Hopefully, that will end "the crunch" and low morale.
Animaniac93-98
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Wicked's global box office has surpassed Les Mis and will soon outgross The Greatest Showman too (both unadjusted)
Should pass $500 million by next weekend.
Should pass $500 million by next weekend.
TP2000
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Here's the first pass at domestic box office for this weekend. Moana 2 had a 63% decline from last weekend, which is tempered by it being a big holiday weekend.
But will it get to $1 Billion globally? It seems it might not quite get there on its current trajectory.
Dwayne Johnson was not announced as the celebrity narrator for Candlelight at Disneyland this weekend.
Instead, it's the villainess neighbor from WandaVision, whom I also know from YouTube as being rather hilarious on Parks & Rec a decade ago. Poncho!
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thenumbers.com
But will it get to $1 Billion globally? It seems it might not quite get there on its current trajectory.
Dwayne Johnson was not announced as the celebrity narrator for Candlelight at Disneyland this weekend.
Instead, it's the villainess neighbor from WandaVision, whom I also know from YouTube as being rather hilarious on Parks & Rec a decade ago. Poncho!
The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for February 21, 2025
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of February 21, 2025
thenumbers.com
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Disney Irish
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You seem to forget about international numbers which brings its totals up to $600M WW in two weeks. So it has a really good shot to hit $1B if both domestic and international continue at its current trajectory.Here's the first pass at domestic box office for this weekend. Moana 2 had a 63% decline from last weekend, which is tempered by it being a big holiday weekend.
But will it get to $1 Billion globally? It seems it might not quite get there on its current trajectory.
Or you would know if you actually paid attention to anything on the entertainment side of Disney that she had her own show on D+ for that character called Agatha All Along that played over Halloween this year and was well received.Dwayne Johnson was not announced as the celebrity narrator for Candlelight at Disneyland this weekend.
Instead, it's the villainess neighbor from WandaVision, whom I also know from YouTube as being rather hilarious on Parks & Rec a decade ago. Poncho!
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The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for February 21, 2025
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of February 21, 2025
DisneyWarrior27
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Oh it’ll get to $1B alright.Here's the first pass at domestic box office for this weekend. Moana 2 had a 63% decline from last weekend, which is tempered by it being a big holiday weekend.
But will it get to $1 Billion globally? It seems it might not quite get there on its current trajectory.
Dwayne Johnson was not announced as the celebrity narrator for Candlelight at Disneyland this weekend.
Instead, it's the villainess neighbor from WandaVision, whom I also know from YouTube as being rather hilarious on Parks & Rec a decade ago. Poncho!
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The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for February 21, 2025
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of February 21, 2025
Just not til either year’s end or 2025’s beginning.
Disney Irish
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He doesn't actually pay attention to anything, so don't worry about it, Moana will get to $1B it'll just be a matter of how much over $1B it'll go.
TP2000
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No, I saw the $300 Million from overseas box office too. It's just that it already opened in all major overseas markets, and it has had slightly weak legs in the past week. With a big dropoff its second weekend out. Just from looking quickly at a compare/contrast of other recent movies in that demographic, I'm not sure Moana 2 will achieve escape velocity to shoot past $1 Billion.
On the plus side for it, it's got pretty much a free reign at the family movie market for another two weeks. Until the Christmas tentpoles start debuting the 20th; namely The Lion King and another video game flick, Sonic The Hedgehog.
So its got one more big weekend, plus early school holidays starting the 16th, to rack up box office globally. Then it hits headwinds on December 20th. Will it make it to a Billion by early 2025?
Well, I could be totally wrong and it's a movie families will want to go see again in theaters during the Christmas vacation at the end of December. That could solve its problem of fairly weak legs in early December. But on its current trajectory it seems like it's headed towards $850 to $950 Million globally by the time the kids go back to school on January 6th.
Who knows? The good news for Burbank is that with its Made-For-Disney+ modest budget of "only" $150 Million, it's already tipped into profitability this weekend from the global box office. I just don't see the momentum for it getting to, let alone past, $1 Billion at the global box office in the next four weeks.
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Moana 2 (2024) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Moana 2 (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
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Disney Irish
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It already made almost the entire total that the first one made in just the first two weeks. It just opened in Japan this weekend, meaning it'll likely get a big push in the coming weeks from that region. Not to mention that its likely to continue to gain after the holidays are over in all regions.No, I saw the $300 Million from overseas box office too. It's just that it already opened in all major overseas markets, and it has had slightly weak legs in the past week. With a big dropoff its second weekend out. Just from looking quickly at a compare/contrast of other recent movies in that demographic, I'm not sure Moana 2 will achieve escape velocity to shoot past $1 Billion.
On the plus side for it, it's got pretty much a free reign at the family movie market for another two weeks. Until the Christmas tentpoles start debuting the 20th; namely The Lion King and another video game flick, Sonic The Hedgehog.
So its got one more big weekend, plus early school holidays starting the 16th, to rack up box office globally. Then it hits headwinds on December 20th. Will it make it to a Billion by early 2025?
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Well, I could be totally wrong and it's a movie families will want to go see again in theaters during the Christmas vacation at the end of December. That could solve its problem of fairly weak legs in early December. But on its current trajectory it seems like it's headed towards $850 to $950 Million globally by the time the kids go back to school on January 6th.
Who knows? The good news for Burbank is that with its Made-For-Disney+ modest budget of "only" $150 Million, it's already tipped into profitability this weekend from the global box office. I just don't see the momentum for it getting to, let alone past, $1 Billion at the global box office in the next four weeks.
Moana 2 (2024) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Moana 2 (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
What Moana 2 and Wicked both continuing to do well despite having overlapping demographics shows us is that there is room in the market for similar genre movies. So the fact that there are other family movies opening up in the coming weeks doesn't mean Moana 2 automatically drops off. Not to mention that if either Mufasa or Sonic aren't well received then Moana 2 picks up audience looking for something else to watch during the holidays.
So maybe after being on cruises for months not paying attention to the box office, please just wait and see what happens.
You know the post Thanksgiving weekend has been notoriously weak as people have getting ready for the holidays distractions…. It is why no big movies typically open this weekend….this actually was a record breaking weekend at the box office… it then picks up again Christmas weekHere's the first pass at domestic box office for this weekend. Moana 2 had a 63% decline from last weekend, which is tempered by it being a big holiday weekend.
But will it get to $1 Billion globally? It seems it might not quite get there on its current trajectory.
Dwayne Johnson was not announced as the celebrity narrator for Candlelight at Disneyland this weekend.
Instead, it's the villainess neighbor from WandaVision, whom I also know from YouTube as being rather hilarious on Parks & Rec a decade ago. Poncho!
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The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for February 21, 2025
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of February 21, 2025
DisneyWarrior27
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Exactly why the Christmas holiday will help Moana 2 get to $1B worldwide.
BrianLo
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The trouble is you are trying to normalize a weighted summer seasonal "legs" against a very notorious post thanksgiving lull. The numbers isn't providing guiderails of how movies releases specifically over thanksgiving do, it's providing guiderails largely based on any given release window of the year. The majority of which are summer.
We know successful movies have a much longer seasonal runway during December and tend to have a mid-run hump over the holidays. Otherwise you'd be inaccurately predicting the same thing about Frozen and Frozen 2 right now. That they aren't on a 1 billion trajectory - and yet they went on to 1.3. To not make it just Disney related, we saw the same thing with Migration and Last Wish.
On the other hand International, that doesn't have the same holiday whiplash, only dropped 41%. Which is an excellent hold. What I'm basically after is how is Moana 2 currently pacing compared to Frozen 1/2.
TP2000
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It was only two (2) cruises, with two post-cruise Immersion Trips, plus a family Thanksgiving, spread over the entire autumn. And you can talk to HR, because I know for a fact all those vacations were pre-approved by senior management.
What big Disney movie did I miss since Labor Day? Moana 2 is the first Burbank release in months and months.
Yes, which is exactly why I said this...
My hunch, based on about an 8 second glance at a chart online and some overseas box office numbers compared to Beauty & The Beast in 2017, could be totally wrong. And Moana 2 will hit a Billion globally by Christmas Day and then coast towards $1.2 Billion by Martin Luther King weekend in January.
But it needs to regain just a bit of steam to pull that off. If it keeps losing box office at the rate of the past 7 days it won't get past $900 Million.
Again, the good news is that it's already profitable, owing to its "cheap" $150 Million budget as a Disney+ TV show.
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