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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disney Irish
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Hey don't be showing my plans for tonight.....
BuddyThomas
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Just got back from Barbie. My expectations were probably too high based on the reviews and the hype. Although it is not the second coming that has been described, it is a very, very good film, with almost every element working together to create something truly unique. The casting is absolutely perfect. Margo Robbie is sensational and Ryan Gosling as Ken.....amazing. Kate McKinnon as "Weird Barbie" is also fantastic. Issa Rae is also great, as is trans actress Hari Nef, both of them playing Barbies. And America Ferrera delivers an important monologue that basically justifies this film's existence. I could have lived without Will Ferrell and his usual theatrics, but oh well. The candy colored production design and costumes are out of this world. Lots of laugh out loud moments. I haven't heard a sold out audience laugh this hard in years. I can't believe what Mattel let them get away with. But good for them. An extremely fun film that is going to be an extremely big hit. I expect a sequel that will be called Ken (you'll understand after you see the movie). Four and a half out of five stars from me.
BuddyThomas
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TP2000
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I just knew this was going to be a huge hit a month ago when I first saw the trailer. I can't wait.
Disstevefan1
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I think I figured it out.
The movie making process used by TWDC has not changed since when Walt was making them. The creators make movies they believed in regardless of what others thought
The difference is folks liked what Walt created.
The movie making process used by TWDC has not changed since when Walt was making them. The creators make movies they believed in regardless of what others thought
The difference is folks liked what Walt created.
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Dranth
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He had a number of flops also. It wasn't until the home market opened up that many of those movies had a chance to finally earn back what they cost and then some.
Phroobar
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True. A lot of the live action was flops. Disney reused them for the Wonderful World of Disney and they found their audience.
Dranth
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That is where most of them were but even the animation. We don't think much of it now because they are all classics to us but Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, Fantasia, Pinocchio all lost at the box office.
Hawkeye_2018
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The failure of Dial of Destiny probably kills any big investment Disney was thinking about with this franchise, be it on film/Tv or in the parks. The mass appeal of Indy is much less than we all thought.
Disstevefan1
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Yes there were flops. It would be interesting to see how many actually lost money.
I think today's challenge is it costs so much money to create movies it takes a lot of butts in seats to even break even. So, todays movies must try to appeal to as many people as possible.
Dranth
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Long run I would bet it is a very small number that actually lose anything. Between home releases, airing films on TV, rentals, etc. most movies eventually make money. I am sure any company would rather something be a hit and make more overall and quicker but breaking even a decade later (or however long a movie may take) is better than nothing.
Tha Realest
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“Long run…”. That’s a cold comfort to the creatives and executives that authorize those projects who won’t be around to see them reach (eventual?) profitability.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Maybe, but I bet people who worked on some of those early bombs that ended up making a ton of money once VHS rolled around felt at least a little vindicated.
Stitch's Grandfather
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Again I'll say that it doesn't matter if a movie makes money in "the long run". Disney has choices of where to put money, and they want to put that money in places that will yield the highest return, as fast as possible. If films can't match the profitability of other investments, they'll shift their investments around and they won't keep investing in films. It's that simple.
I don't think we're at that point yet. I think we'll probably see Disney try to focus on cost containment first... see if they can still generate hype for a $50-100m movie, maybe, rather than spending $200m+. Maybe they'll try to cut costs by leveraging AI for graphics work, editing, script writing, etc. Or if not reduce costs, they might work to significantly reduce the time it takes to make a film so they have a shorter order-to-cash pipeline (and in theory, be more responsive to trends in the box office). Disney still has a lot of these types of levers it can adjust in their effort to turn things around.
There are also larger strategic things they can focus on: collapsing Pixar and Disney Animation Studios into a single unit, bringing back a division like Touchstone, etc. And these strategic changes can be made at the same time as the operational changes.
I don't think we're at that point yet. I think we'll probably see Disney try to focus on cost containment first... see if they can still generate hype for a $50-100m movie, maybe, rather than spending $200m+. Maybe they'll try to cut costs by leveraging AI for graphics work, editing, script writing, etc. Or if not reduce costs, they might work to significantly reduce the time it takes to make a film so they have a shorter order-to-cash pipeline (and in theory, be more responsive to trends in the box office). Disney still has a lot of these types of levers it can adjust in their effort to turn things around.
There are also larger strategic things they can focus on: collapsing Pixar and Disney Animation Studios into a single unit, bringing back a division like Touchstone, etc. And these strategic changes can be made at the same time as the operational changes.
Phroobar
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How do we know any movie makes money? The books are so cooked in Hollywood that most investors loose their shirts even on successful movies. It really comes down to how corrupt the distributors are. If I have two piles of cash. Do I split it with you or keep it all and claim the investment lost money.
TP2000
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Here's a Box Office Preview for the last big debut weekend of the summer.
No Surprise: Barbie is a hit (I knew it would be the moment I saw the trailer), and beat Oppenheimer by over 2-to-1.
Still Surprising: How fast Indy 5 has fallen down to 5th place, and is being beat by another Indie (get it?) that was actually passed on by Disney a few years ago. The little Indie that could is now even beating the newer and mega-budget Mission: Impossible. Huh????
These rankings and box office from yesterday likely predict this weekend.
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www.the-numbers.com
No Surprise: Barbie is a hit (I knew it would be the moment I saw the trailer), and beat Oppenheimer by over 2-to-1.
Still Surprising: How fast Indy 5 has fallen down to 5th place, and is being beat by another Indie (get it?) that was actually passed on by Disney a few years ago. The little Indie that could is now even beating the newer and mega-budget Mission: Impossible. Huh????
These rankings and box office from yesterday likely predict this weekend.
The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Thursday November 21, 2024
www.the-numbers.com
Vegas Disney Fan
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Did Disney get anything for Sound of Freedom or did they just give $105 million away?